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yeah, many hedge funds and individuals have lost serious $ betting against tesla
And many more have made an absolute fortune. Down more than 40% this YTD, even worst if you go from ATH to current prices. It's also been a trader's paradise given the volatility and occasional appearance of someone mysteriously placing huge OTM call purchases for that Friday in an effort to force a gamma squeeze. In a market with regulators this would be suspicious and investigated, but we're in post-GFC America.
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#232> Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself Isn't this the best kind of company to acquire ? A product that has such inherent value that even a bumbling clown car of company could not sabotage its ability to retain users. Imo, Reddit and Twitter have monopolized 2 of the most effective forms of communication to have existed on the internet: Forums and memes (memes in the Dawkinian sens…
Elon isn't worried about valuation. His consideration could be 'can I fix low hanging fruit and provide value'
If elon is right the current content moderation has gone wrong, and it has. Then by fixing this it should provide a return on his investment. Not to mention the counter force of those who cannot allow free discussion who may buy him out in order to stop it.
But more important, what elon also understands. What is a billion $? Elon is wealthy enough he can own any toy or thing he ever wants. It has less to do with some currency and himself. He has surpassed this point in economics placing him amongst a select few who have won this game.
Now he has the chance to use this excess wealth to form the future. Which scares people.
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> That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on Ignoring the context of the article, I don’t believe that the example you’ve given here is really fair. It’s perfectly valid to review something which you could not create. If we excluded that whole category, then reviews would mostly cease to exist, and only peer review would be possible.
Totally agree! Peer review is the only valid feedback in many situations. You don’t see many ultra-successful serial entrepreneurs doubting on Elon! You see many of them driving Teslas. As someone who has been in the kitchen since childhood, I can appreciate how difficult great food is to create! If I taste something inferior I’m going to be specific with my feedback for improvement, highlighting the good points not…
You don’t have to be a culinary wizard to tell when many foods are overcooked, underseasoned, etc. Sometimes chefs just screw up and a dish has outright unpleasant qualities.
Most people have hundreds or thousands of points of comparison for high-quality food even if they can’t make it themselves. If a restaurant bills itself as high-quality and then doesn’t live up to that standard I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say so.
Is peer review more valuable? Probably. But most restaurant guests aren’t chefs so pleasing non-chefs is valuable too.
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#234Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.
can't wait to see the people advocating against fundamental freedoms to finally get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick.
But i get shit from people pro-LLC (basically libs, neocons and fascists), so when one of those complain about a company banning them, i cannot resist saying "Companies do not have to respect the 1rst!" or something like this. Pure Shadenfreude, because i basically agree with the premise.
It's like anarcho-capitalists ("libertarians"). They have a good intuition about what freedom means, but either don't have to capacity, or the will to push the reasoning further, about what power is, what structured power looks like etc (i think it's the will, their subconscious know that if they reason further, it will cause some cognitive dissonance, so they don't).
By the way, if you're a conservative, you should read Baudrillard, in my opinion he is the only conservative who pushed the reflexion far enough (or rather, he is the only situationist who pushed his reflexion towards conservatism). And if you're leftwing (i mean, for european standards), you should too, to understand what conservatism can be if you help him think.
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>it's absolute shit. So is twitter. At least in the last years it turned to absolute s*it. In mid 2021 I resurrected my old long not used account. I made maybe 20 comments in 3 month before I got "banned". I'm probably not really banned I would just have to remove my last comment but I cant do that because I can not login anymore (which may or may not be related to the "banning"). The post in question was an obvious…
I have no specific love for Twitter but a platform is "absolute shit" if you can't make all the jokes you want to make? I mean is HN absolute shit because they ban excessive language, personal attacks, or reddit-style humor? I'd argue it's successful because it has these rules in place. I also have seen incredibly too much "It's just a joke bro" "defenses" for saying certain things that I have little sympathy for it.…
I dont care if they ban jokes if they openly say so. Their platform their rules.
It's the completely arbitrary (or biased) interpretation and enforcement of rules that is the problem.
NH is not a place to make jokes (some still do it) but twitter was a place for jokes since day one. And like I said, even if the joke went over someones head the statement was factual correct and not inciting violence or anything like that.
"It was a joke" was not a defense but rather the reasoning why I would even make a so obviously factual statement.
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>it's absolute shit. So is twitter. At least in the last years it turned to absolute s*it. In mid 2021 I resurrected my old long not used account. I made maybe 20 comments in 3 month before I got "banned". I'm probably not really banned I would just have to remove my last comment but I cant do that because I can not login anymore (which may or may not be related to the "banning"). The post in question was an obvious…
I have no specific love for Twitter but a platform is "absolute shit" if you can't make all the jokes you want to make? I mean is HN absolute shit because they ban excessive language, personal attacks, or reddit-style humor? I'd argue it's successful because it has these rules in place. I also have seen incredibly too much "It's just a joke bro" "defenses" for saying certain things that I have little sympathy for it.…
People often seem to fail to understand that humor is inherently a complex system of shared values, consent, trust, and context. The personal jabs my gym bros and I make at each other would be near fighting words of said by a stranger. The sometimes off-color jokes made by my girlfriend and I to each other are understood to be parody, based on years of trust and context around who the other person is, while an outsider would have no way of distinguishing them from the real thing. A person going to a comedy show may well hear jokes they'd never tolerate in a work context. But a certain subset of the population seems to not understand this and think they can just shout out whatever terrible thing they want and everything it should be fine because it's a "joke".
Either that our they are just pretending not to understand to cover their own bad behavior.
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People claim this but apart from banning trump and the "no-deadnaming" thing no one can give me an example...
A lot of people hvae been banned for violating Twitter's COVID disinformation rules, perhaps most prominently Alex Berenson. https://www.thedailybeast.com/covid-truther-alex-berenson-fi... It will be particularly telling to see how Elon handles this category of moderation.
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The point of free speech is to push the line. Imagine if people stuck with the speech standards of the 1950s. There would be plenty of people here who would be disenfranchised.
With the government? Yes. Within a community? It's more complicated than that. Is someone coming into a community posting the n-word or just being incredibly abrasive/offensive "pushing the line" or just being a troll? Online communities get to set their own rules and if you want to buck that trend then try to get support to change those rules or create your own community where you can make the rules.
However, there is a problem that mostly is evaded or goes unexamined with many of these arguments: Does a community (in the general sense of the word) have the right to actively police/censor the content of an individual or group of people on the Internet in their own community (such as in the case of Kiwifarms)?
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People didn't get banned for saying men are not women, they got banned for harassing people and inciting violence. That's how Libs of TikTok avoids the banhammer, by going as close as she can to the line without crossing it.
That's the same as a flat earther saying it's harassment when someone says "the earth is not flat". Meghan Murphy was banned for saying the earth is not flat. "Men are not women tho". https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1585838039397707777 It's ridiculous gaslighting enforced that was being enforced by the platform.