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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

pionar wrote: post #55
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

Parents through their local school boards, AKA, government.

Apparently some people think public schools are not a government institution?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by mikkergp »

labrador wrote: post #3

My first thought when Musk bought Twitter was "His engineering has team figured out content moderation" but I've seen no evidence or talk of that. So I think it's true that he impulsively bought himself his worst nightmare.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation

Depending on how you define content moderation this is literally not possible, 1. Because content moderation is adversarial and has to adapt and 2. Content moderation is subjective, as the original article says content moderation is the product that companies sell, and it will likely have to change as time goes on (I’m not just talking “what’s popular/offensive” but like do you allow videos, how long are the videos, do videos get prioritized above text or audio, 280 character vs 144 character tweets, editing tweets, dislike button, etc.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by andsoitis »

augusto-moura wrote: post #54
andsoitis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation Which of his engineering teams? Tesla? SpaceX? I don't see why they would be working on content moderation.

Open AI?

Interesting. https://openai.com/blog/new-and-improved-content-moderation-...

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by IgorPartola »

influx wrote: post #35
karaterobot wrote: post #18

I am personally hoping that Twitter will break Elon Musk, and then go out of business. That would be the best possible outcome. I am not holding my breath that it will happen, but it would be incredible.

Why would losing Tesla and SpaceX be incredible?

Tesla existed before Musk. He bought it and by arbitration got listed as a founder.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by colinmhayes »

bluehatbrit wrote: post #26
LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

I've just assumed this is the new version of buying media outlets. Bezos bought the Washington Post, Musk decided to buy Twitter. I'm sure it won't be long before Musk hating gets you kicked off the platform.

bezos bought the post, not hte times.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by minimaxir »

The key quote which other comments are overlooking:

> Here are some examples: you can write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers “brand safety.” That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about “free speech” you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.

The one thing that can be counted on Elon doing is Elon doing what makes him the most money.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by screye »

> Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself

Isn't this the best kind of company to acquire ? A product that has such inherent value that even a bumbling clown car of company could not sabotage its ability to retain users. Imo, Reddit and Twitter have monopolized 2 of the most effective forms of communication to have existed on the internet: Forums and memes (memes in the Dawkinian sense) and their tiny size is entirely a result of terrible leadership.

While musk didn't buy it for a particularly cheap price (at least in Winter 2022 prices), He should be able to justify the net worth as well as any competing tech company will be able to.

To quote Charlie Munger:

> Never underestimate the man who overestimates himself. These weird guys who overestimate themselves occasionally knock it right out of the park. I would never buy Tesla stock and I would never sell it short.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by memish »

jmopp wrote: post #87
memish wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the same as a flat earther saying it's harassment when someone says "the earth is not flat". Meghan Murphy was banned for saying the earth is not flat. "Men are not women tho". https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1585838039397707777 It's ridiculous gaslighting enforced that was being enforced by the platform.

If people are getting banned for saying 'men are not women' I would not expect Colin Wright to be able to tweet it and get over 3000 likes. A single reported tweet does not lead to a suspension.

He just posted that last night under new ownership.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by _hcuq »

jongjong wrote: post #83

This article makes no sense; it sounds like leftist propaganda. Advertisers only care about 'brand safety' to the extent that it impacts their ability to sell stuff. So long as users keep using the platform, advertisers will keep coming back - They're not going to vacate the platform and let their competitors get all the eyeballs... If they did, those competitors would gain market share and make incumbents irrelevant…

Advertisers love 4chan type sewers. So do users.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by Freak_NL »

jayd16 wrote: post #75
erellsworth wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I guess folks here don't like Key & Peele jokes.

Funny references alone will get down voted. It's just the culture of this board. If you want to joke you'll need some more substance as well.

If I wanted comments where I could correctly guess what the first ten most popular posts would be if I had an encyclopaedic knowledge of memes, I'd go to Reddit. I don't think that this is a uncommon view to hold here. Just different cultures, as you say.
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