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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Very interesting. I agree with a lot of what the author says, and I think that aspects of Apple's case against Samsung are spurious, to say the least. However, I also see one major flaw in his argument.

If this design is obvious, why then do all tablets made trior to the iPad look nothing like the iPad? (Windows Tablets, Apple Newton, Specialist Medical Tablets, Grid Tablet, etc etc)

http://www.cultofmac.com/109373/what-tablets-looked-like-bef...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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There is probably a reason why most TVs come in black - it makes the colors and the picture to stand out more. Go and take a look at the flat-screen TV section of any electronics store. All of them look pretty much alike, and actually also very much like iPad. The main difference is size, and iPad's rounded corners which are nicer to have in a device that you hold in your hands. You can even compare Nokia's circa 200…

The article goes even further and makes the claim that "every TV has a black frame", implying that Samsung had no choice for their tablets, and shows a mock-up of a tablet with a red frame for comparison. In fact, Samsung makes TVs with red frames, which they brag is a feature: http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa/jsp/faqs/faqs_view_us.js... http://www.pause.com/wp-content/gallery/08-07-23-samsung/08-... So designers…

A strip of red is hardly a red frame.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Can you link me to one? I'm having a hard time finding a tablet that does not look like an iPad. The HP Touchpad, the Playbook, Motorola Xoom, even the Kindle Fire looks like a 7" iPad. The Nook Tablet is about the only one, and it's just a silver iPad with a notch cut out of the corner for some reason. Eee Transformer? iPad with an optional keyboard. The Acer Iconia has a silver lining around the bezel. That and the…

Sure; any of these at the bottom of the picture - http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

The Sony tablet was pointed out in this article as a poor design that was over engineered. I pointed out the Nook Tablet as one exception. The rest (beyond the clamshell designs) all look similar to the iPad. Basically you're saying companies should have to design their tablets with two screens because a one screen black box is too similar to the iPad?

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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No, just that only non-obvious design should be entitled to protection. A thumb-width, neutrally colored bezel, a rectangle screen, and non-lethal corners are obvious. Apple's suggestions are to specifically engineer a device that looks unlike an Apple product, rather than designing a device in the obvious way. Apple wants to corner the market on simple design. Imagine if your coffee cup couldn't be designed to be ro…

What about design the success of which makes it obvious only in retrospect? I thought that was precisely what IP was there to protect. If the design becomes successful but is still not obvious to competitors, would IP be needed to protect it? For the record I don't support IP.

Considering there were devices that looked like the iPad before the iPad was released, I don't think that's the case here.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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And a width of 21mm is the only configuration that could satisfy this requirement? Precisely that, and no other? I don't mean to be flip, but it beggars belief to say that this is some sort of platonic form of tablet connector, especially given that the connector originated on the iPod in 2003, and existed not for stability, but for thinness, and to provide additional pins for accessories in a larger Apple-specific e…

I am sure they did not copy the 21mm because it looks the best. There must be some other reason.

It's probably because these are easy to buy. The people making $1 iPod replacement cables must buy them somewhere, after all.

I have a Sansa music player that uses an iPod cable but with the wires hooked up differently for no apparent reason. It seems to be a pretty common thing.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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I'll just leave this here for everyone saying that iPad-like designs never existed before the iPad: http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

If you did a chart of how typical websites looked through those years, they would similarly change towards minimalism with rounded corners. Picking one and putting it in the middle wouldn't mean much. Popular design styles change over time. This diagram doesn't prove anything.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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I want these people who are running around saying there's no other way to design Samsung's stuff to explain to me one thing. Why, of all the devices on earth, does Samsung's tablet exactly mimic Apple's USB connector? I've got a Galaxy Tab sitting right next to me, here. The design isn't just similar, the dimensions are nearly identical. Explain it to me. Please. If you can offer a compelling case for why Samsung isn…

http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/sam... Here this is a nice photo frame samsung made in 2006, interestingly no one sued anyone for it. Apple is just full of bullshit and does everything to halt sales of their competitor.

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Sure; any of these at the bottom of the picture - http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

The Sony tablet was pointed out in this article as a poor design that was over engineered. I pointed out the Nook Tablet as one exception. The rest (beyond the clamshell designs) all look similar to the iPad. Basically you're saying companies should have to design their tablets with two screens because a one screen black box is too similar to the iPad?

No. I am saying that all the examples and the ones that you mention, perhaps except the HP TouchPad, are different enough not to be plagiarising from Apple, unlike Samsung's devices, which are flagrant rip offs of Apple design's for a tablet. For instance the radius of the corner could reasonably be anything between 25mm, changing the aesthetic substantially. The bezel could have a different finish; acid etched for instance, it could be a different size or had an inlaid trim. Using a morphological chart you could discover many more options http://wikid.eu/index.php/Morphological_chart, some good, some of them not so good. Quite simple really. Of course you are entitled to disagree with my opinion, however to claim that other devices merely "all look similar to the iPad" is not really understanding what design is, just like the articles author. 'Design obviousness' to me is an indication of a successful design. It is also a bias of hindsight. It's tantamount to stating that anyone can produce an Andy Warhol piece.

>>The Sony tablet was pointed out in this article as a poor design that was over engineered.

The article is neither factual or authoritative. It is opinion and supposition.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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"certainly Samsung was making laptops with the same black design theme prior to the iPad's release" As was Apple, hence my earlier comment. Samsung hasn't just ripped off Apple's iPad design, it's been ripping off Apple's designs for years. From the MacBook Air to the iPhone to the iPod Touch, Samsung has been making faithful copies.

So let me understand, you think that, say, the laptops pictured here: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=samsung+laptop&tbm=isc... are faithful copies of these ones: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=macbook+pro&tbm=isch I just don't see how you can remotely draw this conclusion.

I didn't say that all Samsung products are Apple ripoffs. But some, especially their higher end products, are.

Like:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/12/galaxy-player-samsung...

http://gizmodo.com/5836128/samsungs-new-notebooks-are-super-...

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-31/tech/30092522...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121322194642065867.html

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/samsung-galaxy-ace-gio-fi...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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The author invested quite some time to make his point, however, I disagree. First of all, if this is the only possible way for a tablet to look, why did all the other Microsoft tablets up to the iPad look vastly different? Second, there're two famuos quotes: "The obvious is always least understood." and "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei The…

You know what they say, "Hindsight is always 20/20"
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