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Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by llamaimperative »

unity1001 wrote: post #214
llamaimperative wrote: post #213

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No one is saying the Nazis thing is “a conspiracy theory.” They’re saying they don’t care. There are neo-nazi elements in every country’s military, especially in Europe. That doesn’t mean Nazis are okay, nor does it mean all of those countries which have those elements are illegitimate and no longer have a right to self-defense. This point is never raised as an effort to get said Nazis out of combat/prevalence (in wh…

> No one is saying the Nazis thing is “a conspiracy theory.” They’re saying they don’t care. There are neo-nazi elements in every country’s military, especially in Europe These are not 'Neonazi elements'. They are actual Nazi brigades comprised of actual nazis who know their theory, who think that they are ubermensch and everyone else either should be enslaved or killed. They are not your average skinhead occasionall…

Yes, they are neo-Nazi elements. Given that the Nazi political party no longer exists, anyone who adheres to their ideology is described as a neo-Nazi. It has nothing to do with whether they "know their theory," and I'm a bit confused as to what you think neo-Nazis believe if thinking you're ubermensch makes you an actual Nazi. All neo-Nazis believe those things - that's what it means to be a neo-Nazi!

I'd be curious for any source where any outlet with a readership above, say 1MM people, said that neo-Nazi battalions don't exist and that it's a conspiracy theory. Surely if "the mainstream media" was all about this position, you'll be able to find a source? I just looked and I couldn't find even one.

And before you go ahead and trick yourself in this search for sources: there are conspiracy theories that the upper echelons of Ukraine's national government is comprised of neo-Nazis. This is referred to as a conspiracy theory because it is.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by ethanbond »

unity1001 wrote: post #215
ethanbond wrote: post #210

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Al Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2022/6/21/inside-ukra... Buenos Aires Times: https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/amp/world/tougher-russia-san... India at the UN condemned “war crimes in Bucha,” which they stopped short of accusing their strategic partner of, but obviously it wasn’t Ukrainian armed forces walking through Bucha executing civilians, right? Seems odd to lament the lack of truly free media…

Similar news were made, and similar condemnations were issued at the UN for a lot of other 'war crimes' that turned out to be nonexistent. > then believe even half a word out of Russia’s mouth. That's your own personal bias - 'either/or'. There are many other sources than 'Russia'. The world is not bipolar like in Anglosphere. > Also FYI, “intelligence community” does not refer to retired government people on the med…

But you just said there was no reporting on it in non-Western outlets. Turns out there is?

I never said it's either/or. Not sure where you're getting that impression.

No, IC refers to the actual agencies themselves. You're misinterpreting and then getting upset about your misinterpretation.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by ethanbond »

unity1001 wrote: post #216
ethanbond wrote: post #209

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Ah yes the spooky “mainstream media” which seems always to somehow say the opposite of what you believe. This is not an addressable concern to be honest. It’s like complaining about “the elites.” Just needs to be more specific. Also your evidence of Ukraine lying about war crimes is the firing of a woman who lied about war crimes? Sure, people lie, but then that obviously prompts the question of why haven’t all the o…

> Ah yes the spooky “mainstream media” which seems always to somehow say the opposite of what you believe That 'spooky' mainstream media lied about babies in incubators in Iraq, then nonexistent WMDs, then about freedom-loving Libyan rebels, then freedom-loving Syrian rebels, and now they are telling other things in the latest foreign policy project. Why the hell are you people even giving them any credibility, leavi…

It's really silly to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is just suckling from "the mainstream media" while you are blessed with the special information sources that provide you The Truth. Who said I'm giving the media any credibility?

> She was not fired for...

This is a non sequitur so I don't really know what to say here. Try re-reading what I had said.

> Amazing how you contort...

Well it wasn't the highest levels lol. It was a few rungs down from the highest level, and the highest level then held that lower level responsible for its misbehavior. That's exactly what you'd expect to see from an institution holding itself to a high bar.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by gojomo »

thanatos519 wrote: post #53
dstroot wrote: post #47

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I watched it live. It was uncomfortable and heartbreaking. William had a very profound experience and he wanted to explain it and thank Jeff. Jeff could not even focus long enough to let William get a few sentences out. Jeff’ s “team” (I think led by his significant other) was essentially throwing a frat party behind him - screaming ”whooo” and drinking/spraying champagne. It was sad.

> It was uncomfortable and heartbreaking. Yeah. I'm squirming at the memory. Bezos says "I wanna hear this! ..." but then goes back to the party. I don't think he really wanted to hear it.

I suspect Bezos did want to hear it, but the whole emotional-mix – dominated for Bezos by his other-associates hooting-and-hollering – limited his ability to do so in the moment.

Shatner, whose career & big personality I love, is probably used to being listened to. He's later-in-life than Bezos and from a career of storytelling & emotion. In that situation, I'd have rather heard Shatner's immediate thoughts, than the generic euphoria of one more successful mission.

But I still don't think Bezos wronged Shatner with his divided attention.

Bezos has already had the same experience. Bezos is at a earlier stage-of-life, & comes from a career of ruthless accounting & physics efficiencies. While most space-fans would be sufficiently star-struck to give Shatner the kind of focused attention that a celebrity usually gets, Bezos's own celebrity, fame, & space-experience – not to mention his personal & professional relationships to all the others there – put him far past that.

I think the analogy from NYT's David Streitfeld, that this was a "Kirk/Spock" moment, is closest to the fair truth: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/science/bezos-shatner-sta...

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by Roark66 »

unity1001 wrote: post #94
Roark66 wrote: post #73

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>Somehow occupying sovereign countries and killing kids is a bad thing only when putin does it. If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country, where questionable decisions that caused civilian suffering are widely condemned, a war that saw very large domestic movement against it as it unfolded and another one where rape, torture, slavery, ethnic ge…

> If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Moreover, the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up was fired by the Ukrainian government because even the govt. found it way too extreme. She is now busy backstabbing her former employers by saying tha…

What claims? I'm in a country where 4 million refugees came(domestic population of 36mln). When they talk of the atrocities, when they show you videos of their own killed, raped/tortured neighbors they find in their homes, when they show you videos taken on their cellphones of piles of naked female bodies drenched in gas, with few tires thrown on top and lit on Russian forces escape routes literaly right after they left. Videos they took while in panic mode, fight g with themselves wanting to leave this horrible scenes ASAP, but they make those videos because they want the world to see the truth. Then when you see videos taken of things found by incoming soldiers. Holes in the ground with hundreds of civilian people with their hands tied and bullet in the back of their head. I work with AI I know how deep fakes look like. Those are not deep fakes. Those are all cellphone videos taken from hand, with audio, showing everything including the person taking it and local landmarks.

Then you have one of the most notorious units where individual torturers and tormentors identified by name, this unit gets decorated by Putin. At the same time you have Russian gov-controlled media openly calling for killing every Ukrainian and every commentary cheering them.

When all this happens and some people say "this is same lies as iraqi wmd". They are either trolls, shills or they live life so sheltered that they never had to discover what Russian soldiers do in areas they enter.

Here in Poland we had Russians here few times at war time and no one has to convince us what they do. I'm old enough to have had WW2 survives come to my primary school and give us first hand accounts. Back then those that escaped concentration camps and PL in general were telling people in the West what was going on. They too were disbelieved.

BTW, this is not the "first time in modern time" they do it. They did the same thing in Chechnya and Syria. The difference is that today everyone has a high quality video recorder in their pocket and communication with the entire world so all their atrocities are plain to see to everyone.

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