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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by dzikimarian » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:15 PM UTC

morpheuskafka wrote: post #30

nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

I was checking out the Android competition ahead of the iPhone 14 announcement and I was shocked that all of the flagships seem to have major usability complaints. I always thought that the UX might be a little worse, but Android would be ahead on hardware (battery, camera, etc). I thought the whole carriers doing updates and all that would have been fixed by now, but it seems like only Pixel has. What is keeping peo…

Personally I find Apple UX inferior in many areas - eg. notification management sucks a lot. Customization is poor - no sideloading, no alternative launchers, even icons cannot be moved freely. Device looks bad due to huge noth. That's just a few from the top of my head.

Also giving more control over the market to company, that is almost definition of walled garden is bad for everyone.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by gfd » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:17 PM UTC

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27

nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

I didn't consider Motorola a Chinese brand but apparently they were sold by Google to Lenovo in 2014 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Mobility

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by ok_dad » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:18 PM UTC

IncandescentGas wrote: post #114

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48

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> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

Why should software companies, developers, product managers and executives remain immune from consequences of willful negligence, when that negligence results in real harm? In college I took an Engineering Ethics class, where we studied engineering mistakes resulting in deaths, and learned about the investigation and prosecution of the engineers involved when there was negligence. The Hyatt Regency walkway collapse i…

I especially like the Therac-25 [0] as a good example for software engineers. A literal concurrency bug between the UI and radiation emitter caused at least 6 people to get massive overdoses of radiation. Think about that next time you're using a multi-thread/multi-process library!

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by fyloraspit » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:19 PM UTC

jacooper wrote: post #202

I'm basically locked into Pixels because of GrapheneOS/CalyxOS, the best experience you can get for a privacy friendly phone. The software is great, the camera is amazing, and the battery is good too, the only problem is the display on my Pixel 4XL. IOS is a hot garbage prison, to the point its users dream of something like newpipe, and the FOSS scene is basically nonexistent, also Apple doesn't care about your priva…

Same here but I have the Pixel 5. It's been a great experience for me.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by verisimilitudes » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:22 PM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #128

libria wrote: post #81

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I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards. I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initi…

It's abundantly clear from the replies in this thread that people are thinking emotionally, not rationally. They're pissed off at their phone, and reaching for the biggest stick they can find -- not to fix the problem, but to punish whoever caused it. Likely, they wouldn't even punish the right person, it would just be a scapegoat sacrificed to appease their wrath. Your comment is right on the nose when it comes to t…

It's really disgusting to see someone argue that people don't want to pay for quality, when old phones worked. Now, the pilpul here will be to claim that those old phones totally didn't actually work, they just appeared to basically always work, so it's totally the same thing; it's not.

The fact of the matter is that old phones may not have been formally-proven to work, but basically worked. The new phones aren't formally-proven to work, and basically don't.

> People just don't know what they're demanding.

As a programmer, I want the cretins claiming to be programmers to face justice for their disgusting work, about which they're so smug and condescending.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by michaelmrose » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:24 PM UTC

xioxox wrote: post #206

michaelmrose wrote: post #162

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Motorola makes good phones. I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on Samsung. Seems to me the Motorola G line is fantastic and even relatively cheap with the Moto G 5G being not but $300

Motorola produce virtually no software updates. You'll typically only get security updates for two years after the phone is started to be sold.

If its unlocked you can install what you like later on. At $165-$300 getting it fully unlocked is trivial.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by geodel » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:25 PM UTC

kieselguhr_kid wrote: post #218

geodel wrote: post #194

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Yesterday I was reading it is because Google pay such a low salary. If they increase it to like 3x-4x of current, all bugs will disappear on their own.

I know this is some kind of sarcasm but I'm not sure what kind of sarcasm it is.

Well, I am reminded on this forum very often that any poor software product is most likely because developers are not compensated fairly for their work.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by hocuspocus » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:26 PM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #22

nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

I got on the Pixel rollercoaster at 1 (a great device), and got off after 4. 2, 3,and (especially) 4 all either had a common feature missing, or did some annoying shit. Seems like I made the right choice. Unfortunately, it looks like OnePlus was a poor choice. Guess I'm turning to Nothing next.

The 5 is okay.

After owning many Google phones since the Nexus era I think Google should really focus on making good mid-range phones and simply give up on the high-end entirely. It's not like they're really trying to sell hardware anyway (you can't buy them in most of the world) so I doubt it makes any real money. The fact the Pixel line looks like a hobby project year after year is just sad at this point.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by dylan604 » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:27 PM UTC

nextos wrote: post #159

The_Colonel wrote: post #119

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My P6P is also the worst phone I can remember, but unlike you, I also really dislike (main) camera. It oversharpens people's faces to absurd degree in anything but optimal light. Faces are discolored (often gray), wrinkles come up, hair often looks kind of greasy. (for landscapes the camera is pretty good though)

I don't dislike Pixel hardware because it's the only phone supported by GrapheneOS, which makes Android tolerable. But the software is ridiculous in some regards. I bought an Pixel sometime ago, new in a box from Google, and it took two battery charges to go through a gazillion of OTA updates to get it to the latest Android. I know I could have plugged it in and flashed the latest ROM directly, but is a normal user s…

>And nobody knows why it's connecting...

I highly doubt that. I'm sure the people that wrote the code know exactly what it is doing. Does the number of knowledgable coders vs the poplulation of the planet approach nobody when rounding?

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by pessimizer » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 8:31 PM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #125

smoldesu wrote: post #116

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> your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious! If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in yo…

We're talking about Apple devices here so LineageOS is irrelevant. Please keep up. > Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal. Privacy is better preserved doing it on device compared to on their servers. anyway, nothing more to discuss here.

You might think that it's silly to complain about having to directly pay for an adversarial program to run, but try to imagine how it could bother other people.