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> The service workers vs. background script issue discussed by AdGuard will affect many or most extensions. This is so true. It is often overlooked, but the root problem of Manifest V3 is not declarativeNetRequest, but this service worker move. Firefox and Safari implemented an alternative to them so there's a chance. Google proposed a different solution (called "Offscreen documents") which is also not too bad, but I…
What do service workers restrict as compared to the previous model?
AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
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Isn't it pretty much redundant? You just have to enable advanced mode in ublock origin extension settings. The interface is arguably slightly harder to figure out though, but the functionality is there once you've enabled it. the ublock origin repo actually has a video linked how it works: https://youtu.be/2lisQQmWQkY?t=294
Yes, it's not actively developed anymore because of the large overlap in functionality with uBlock Origin as well as the maintainance burden. However it's not equivalent, because in uMatrix you have even more fine-grained control which content a certain domain in a certain context can load (i.e. scripts, images, css and xhr requests).
with uBlock origins UI you can block by content type and then whitelist the domains which are still allowed and that feels less granular then the uMatrix configuration dialog.
But if you check the generated dynamic rules in the settings you'll see that it supports the same granular controls as uMatrix
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
#233So wait. What's wrong with ublock origin?
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
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All true, and we (content blockers devs) were saying this all for years, since MV3 was first announced. MV3 brings very little (if any) privacy and security enhancements, this is for the future MV4 when extensions will be dumbed down to sets of declarative rules. We'll now need to rely on Chrome team for implementing what we need. But they do it painfully slow or not do at all. Also, where will we get the new ideas i…
How about simply not supporting chrome. I believe some responsibility for this lies with us developers. It was developers who made extensions for chrome. We as technologists recommended chrome to our friends and families. Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. Maybe it is time that extension authors abandon ship, and we recommend alternat…
If Google says, that they value speed of their browser as the main attribute, that mindset if adopted by the fanboys. If Google says you don't need more powerful ad blocking, then that idea is adopted by the fanboys. Google says it, so it cannot be wrong. Anyone saying something different is just being jealous, that they are not as good a developer to work at Google. Google! Oh please! Tell us what to think!
This kind of thinking also proliferates into non-developer communities and people, who look at it from the financial success side of things. Google, one of the biggest tech companies evaaar! Surely they must be doing something right! This developer friend, what do they know, compared to the knowledge of Google employees?! Better listen to Google.
Google has managed to twist the minds of many, who are too open for authority arguments and developers are no exception to that.
As long as we still in some way think, that Google has our wellbeing at heart, I think things will not change. However, I support not supporting Chormium-based browsers any longer. People only learn the hard way, which is, when they have to fight through jungle of ads to use even the simplest websites. Some learn not even then.
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
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How about simply not supporting chrome. I believe some responsibility for this lies with us developers. It was developers who made extensions for chrome. We as technologists recommended chrome to our friends and families. Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. Maybe it is time that extension authors abandon ship, and we recommend alternat…
I remember switching to Chrome because it was faster. I switched back to Firefox a few years ago. Firefox has improved a lot and the overall experience is just far better. One of the nicest small things is that I've got the full URL back in the URL bar, including http/https!
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
#236Firefox seems pretty much on par with chrome these days and FF seems to win out on detection rates anyway so not sure why I'd want this combo? https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b... Does anyone has stats of adguard vs ublock by chance?
Firefox on android is horrible. Full of bugs and slow downs.
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This sort of boycotting will only work when widely supported by both developers and users and this is not the case. Despite all the public outcry and news outlets telling that the end is near, it didn't affect the Chrome's share. > Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. I kind of disagree with this. Google Chrome's current popularity stan…
If suddenly there was no ad blocking available on Chrome cold turkey we would see nearly all users who are accustomed to an ad free experience go looking for a new browser. Coordinate this with a marketing blitz from Firefox and essentially you can take nearly all the Chrome ad block users and turn them into Firefox users. And from there it's word of mouth even from the non-techies. Good ad blocking is an essential p…
Devs of adblockers should all, suddenly, stop supporting Chrome. Make it a specific date (Jan. 1st 2023?) and make it known.
The web is unusable without strong, efficient adblocking. All power users would stop using Chrome in an instant. Even if they are a minority, the move would become visible on usage charts.
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
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How about simply not supporting chrome. I believe some responsibility for this lies with us developers. It was developers who made extensions for chrome. We as technologists recommended chrome to our friends and families. Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. Maybe it is time that extension authors abandon ship, and we recommend alternat…
One problem is of course, that Google managed to convince many fanboys, that it is a highly progressive modern and technologically superb company, that spits out revolutionary tech every month and only the developers of highest skill could work there, so all that comes out of Google must be naturally superior to any competition. If Google says, that they value speed of their browser as the main attribute, that mindse…
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
#239Does anyone know what is Edge's take on MV3? Will they just leave it untouched and obey or do they have alternative paths planned for adblockling like Brave (In addition to the native blocker, Brendan Eich also said that they will "put back the lost functionality for uBO, uMatrix and other legit extensions" [1]). I have a feeling that Edge will become mainstream in the near future because it is the default browser on…
Funny how the only browsers that matter are the ones shipped by default by OS vendors... almost like the whole Windows/IE antitrust action was for show. Or I guess the OS vendors realized being an oligopoly is a good workaround for dated antitrust policy.
People often forget the US underwent an administrative change between the judgement and enforcement. Microsoft spent a lot of "think tank" money on influencing the new regimes enforcement mentality, not only on their own issue, but on monopolies in general.
It was, from my recollection, definitely not for show.
Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3
#240Firefox seems pretty much on par with chrome these days and FF seems to win out on detection rates anyway so not sure why I'd want this combo? https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b... Does anyone has stats of adguard vs ublock by chance?
AdGuard are just doing this to capture the upcoming hole in the market as uBlock Origin stops working in Chrome.
Everyone should switch to Firefox.