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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by dont__panic »

Fatnino wrote: post #205
ameshkov wrote: post #149

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This sort of boycotting will only work when widely supported by both developers and users and this is not the case. Despite all the public outcry and news outlets telling that the end is near, it didn't affect the Chrome's share. > Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. I kind of disagree with this. Google Chrome's current popularity stan…

If suddenly there was no ad blocking available on Chrome cold turkey we would see nearly all users who are accustomed to an ad free experience go looking for a new browser. Coordinate this with a marketing blitz from Firefox and essentially you can take nearly all the Chrome ad block users and turn them into Firefox users. And from there it's word of mouth even from the non-techies. Good ad blocking is an essential p…

Why not fight fire with fire?

Consider checking for the Chrome user agent on your personal website. When you detect it, either:

1. Display a screen that encourages to use a browser that respects their privacy, such as Firefox.

2. Show a popup explaining that "for an ad-free experience, try Firefox + uBlock" and add a bunch of fake (or real) ads to a special Chrome-exclusive piece of the site.

If enough of us do this with personal websites, more and more people will stop using Chrome and start using Firefox. You don't even have to cut Chrome users off from the content -- just annoy them a little, and suggest Firefox.

After all, if Google refuses to fix bugs introduced by Google developers who don't test software in browsers other than Chrome (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1069227), the least that the rest of us can do is fight back in some small way.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by 411111111111111 »

dicriseg wrote: post #196
RunSet wrote: post #148

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To those familiar with the HTML DOM I recommend uMatrix from the same author as uBlock origin. It makes a good companion to uBlock Origin and provides much finer control. https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

That repo is archived. Is the project dead?

Isn't it pretty much redundant? You just have to enable advanced mode in ublock origin extension settings. The interface is arguably slightly harder to figure out though, but the functionality is there once you've enabled it.

the ublock origin repo actually has a video linked how it works: https://youtu.be/2lisQQmWQkY?t=294

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by callalex »

staticassertion wrote: post #211
cycomanic wrote: post #121

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How about simply not supporting chrome. I believe some responsibility for this lies with us developers. It was developers who made extensions for chrome. We as technologists recommended chrome to our friends and families. Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. Maybe it is time that extension authors abandon ship, and we recommend alternat…

I use Chrome because it's faster, safer, more stable. I don't believe V3 in any way is a serious issue for the internet in any meaningful sense either.

It is objectively less safe to use the web without an ad blocker.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Broge »

ameshkov wrote: post #161
lapcat wrote: post #77

Manifest v3 is going to be a slaughter. Extension developers have known the slaughter was coming, but Chrome users are going to be taken by surprise. Many free Chrome extensions aren't going to get updated at all for v3, because it's too much work. Many aren't going to work right anymore because of the new restrictions. And ad blocking aside, v3 seems like a nightmare in general, and still quite buggy. The service wo…

> The service workers vs. background script issue discussed by AdGuard will affect many or most extensions. This is so true. It is often overlooked, but the root problem of Manifest V3 is not declarativeNetRequest, but this service worker move. Firefox and Safari implemented an alternative to them so there's a chance. Google proposed a different solution (called "Offscreen documents") which is also not too bad, but I…

What do service workers restrict as compared to the previous model?

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

dicriseg wrote: post #196
RunSet wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To those familiar with the HTML DOM I recommend uMatrix from the same author as uBlock origin. It makes a good companion to uBlock Origin and provides much finer control. https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

That repo is archived. Is the project dead?

I tried uMatrix for a bit and it seems the dynamic filtering capabilities of uBlock do 80%+ of what uMatrix does.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by e2le »

staticassertion wrote: post #215
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

Isn't it very clearly not killing adblocking given that... this adblocker just released a version using it.

Yet reduced in it's ability to perform it's intended function.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by [deleted] »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #204
groovybits wrote: post #41

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> What do you think is the future (+2 years) for people with hatred for ads? DNS-based blocking

I don't understand what is it with DNS-based blocking people that they seem to be some of the most annoying proselytizers. Anyone remembers the "HOSTS file guy" from Slashdot ? DNS-based blocking is as much a "future-proof" technology as "just don't look at the adverts". DNS-based blocking is old, easily workaroundable by anyone (just use the same domain name for everything, or interchangeable domain names, or just d…

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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by bpye »

jacooper wrote: post #206
jefftk wrote: post #88

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> Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. ... Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave and Vivaldi have always been built on Chromium, because that was the easiest way for them to get started as new browsers. There wasn't some pre-Chromium version of either that was killed.*

Also its just simply the best engine on the market.

Is it the best or does it just _seem_ to be the best as most web content is only tested on Chrome, or Chrome and mobile Safari perhaps?

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by emaro »

411111111111111 wrote: post #222
dicriseg wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That repo is archived. Is the project dead?

Isn't it pretty much redundant? You just have to enable advanced mode in ublock origin extension settings. The interface is arguably slightly harder to figure out though, but the functionality is there once you've enabled it. the ublock origin repo actually has a video linked how it works: https://youtu.be/2lisQQmWQkY?t=294

Yes, it's not actively developed anymore because of the large overlap in functionality with uBlock Origin as well as the maintainance burden.

However it's not equivalent, because in uMatrix you have even more fine-grained control which content a certain domain in a certain context can load (i.e. scripts, images, css and xhr requests).

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by Fatnino »

Bedon292 wrote: post #219
Fatnino wrote: post #205

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If suddenly there was no ad blocking available on Chrome cold turkey we would see nearly all users who are accustomed to an ad free experience go looking for a new browser. Coordinate this with a marketing blitz from Firefox and essentially you can take nearly all the Chrome ad block users and turn them into Firefox users. And from there it's word of mouth even from the non-techies. Good ad blocking is an essential p…

What is the market share of Chrome users who use ad blocking though? I don't know if its large enough to make a dent in the overall market share. And even then not sure everyone who has one installed would jump. I have it in my mom's browser but if it stopped working tomorrow she wouldn't know enough to make any changes.

It won't tip the balance but it is a significant percentage of active users. I want to say greater than 15 percent but I can't remember where I saw that.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter what percentage of all users, just what percentage of techie word-of-mouth types use ad blockers. And that is a very significant percentage.

Maybe your mom can't change it herself but come Thanksgiving she's going to complain about it to you and you are going to fix it so she has an ad free experience again.

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