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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ridiculous_leke »

devin wrote: post #56
tedivm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not sure what you’re referring to. A majority certainly does not approve of overturning Roe, quite the opposite.

Are there any legitimate polls to back this up? An average American on the internet is probably against the ruling, but that still doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are against it. If that was the case, we should have either seen pressure building up on "pro-life" states or a BLM style movement in favor of legalizing abortion. But I don't see neither.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by [deleted] »

actuator wrote: post #115
rdl wrote: post #45

I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

I don't think @dang will pin the above comment, but this needs to be higher here as the reply includes that they received a legal order. This is maligning the company unjustly.

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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by webartisan »

eastern wrote: post #137

This might come as a surprise to most people on this page but India and other countries around the world actually have there own laws and don't follow US laws. No court order is required for this data. The relevant law states this: Whenever any Court or any officer in charge of a police station considers that the production of any document or other thing is necessary or desirable for the purposes of any investigation…

It's not about your laws vs my laws — I think we can objectively judge what sort of protections make sense for someone who doesn't necessarily agree with the government of the day, without going into defensive nationalism.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by boruto »

ad93611 wrote: post #41

I’m a startup founder where most of our employees are based in India. I don’t condone this move by Razorpay. However, as someone else pointed out, the legal process in India is not robust, and it is biased toward people in power. Here are some constructive ways to avoid situations like this: 1. Register your company outside of India. The US is an excellent option because of the solid legal framework. 2. Encrypt the d…

i am sure there are compliance and regulations which would prevent FinTech companies acting on their own whims.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by boruto »

Hizonner wrote: post #227
bipulranjan wrote: post #114

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Hmm. Just a crazy idea. What if nobody went around beheading people for insulting their prophet, AND nobody went around arresting people for insulting their deity? And what if both the beheadings and the bogus arrests were punished by law? And what if nobody were allowed to get away with trying to use either one to justify the other? I mean, I'm not sure a guy who's been dead for 1200 years AND supposedly has the fav…

Technically he isn't arrested for insulting diety. But I dont support his arrest, It's just stupid that process is the punishment.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by jacquesm »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #96
randomperson_24 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Razorpay did receive a Section 91 order according to their tweet: https://twitter.com/Razorpay/status/1544313411621646338

This is an important detail that OP missed in their post.

That wasn't an accident.

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Post by boruto »

MrBlueIncognito wrote: post #139
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not entirely true. - TV debates in India are charged and partisan. - Nupur Sharma was debating a man named Tasneem Rehmani. - Tasleem Rehmani said something denigrating towards a Hindu God (which is normal and typically goes unpunished and even unnoticed in India). - Nupur Sharma countered him by saying "Do not mock my religion. Do you want me to start talking about flying horses or the fact that your Prophet married…

TL;DR two extremists make offensive statements on television, journalist tweeting a segment from it to bring it to public attention gets arrested. You may argue that Mohammed Zubair is somehow an evil cynical person who wants to watch the world burn, but the fact is that tweeting a segment from national television is not a criminal offence and should not be treated as such. > which is normal and typically goes unpuni…

Well he was not arrested for it.

If he had stuck to doing what he did I guess no one would go after him.

He had caused diplomatic issues and bayed for nupurs head. It would do well to remember what a minority ABV gov did to tehelka and promotors. Guess that is what Modi gov is trying here.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by boruto »

rg111 wrote: post #12
londons_explore wrote: post #6

In some parts of the world, an official police request is equivalent to a court order.

I do not know too much about these. But, couldn't they fight it in court?

> But, couldn't they fight it in court?

Why would they? They want to do business without much headache.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by rob32n »

Here is some description of Section 91:-

Whenever any Court or any officer in charge of a police station considers that the production of any document or other thing is necessary or desirable for the purposes of any investigation, inquiry, trial or other proceeding under this Code by or before such Court or officer, such Court may issue a summons, or such officer a written order, to the person in whose possession or power such document or thing is believed to be, requiring him to attend and produce it, or to produce it, at the time and place stated in the summons or ordeR

Section 91 has been used in 2020 as well by Kerala Govt ( state govt)

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/cbi-invok...

It seems author of this post doesn’t understand law. India penal code is fundamental from west laws.

Section is used to for “summons to produce” and comes under “process to compel production of things”

The post owner simple intention is to harm Razorpay reputation. He also changed the headline of this post from Original post.

In this section police office has full authority to produce things and it has been used prior to this case in India to produce financial documents. There is no need of court order in this scenario as per section 91.

Summon can issued by a court or police office, by law this both have same power to do so to produce document associated with the case.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by boruto »

ahamedirshad123 wrote: post #135

Again Altnews doesn't accept foreign donations. This is from Razorpay page for Altnews. No foreign donations We do not accept foreign remittance as we are not registered under the FCRA Act. Only Indian citizens with Indian bank accounts can donate currently.

It is completely immoral that some people want to paint Altnews as boogieman receiving donations from Pak and syria.
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