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High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Subsidizing others in a society is kind of a feature and not a bug

Subsidizing the poor, sure. Subsidizing the upper middle class? Not so much.

Is college solely the domain of the upper middle class? Additionally we subsidize people of all wealth classes for things which have a social good that most people don’t seem to have a problem with. For example subsidies for solar panels mostly go to the wealthy+upper middle class, but it still benefits everyone.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Tuition in the University of California system increased by an infinite percent from 1960 to 1980. It used to be tuition free. Had it remained tuition free it would have been cheaper and better overall for society.

I think many people are for tuition free for a certain amount of people based on merit. However it shouldn't be just a 5th-8th year of high school...like it seems to be becoming. When an admissions rate of a large public university can reach 95%+...we are no longer selecting the best students that will actually gain anything from going to college.

The UC schools have always tied enrollment to the top 9% of California High School seniors. As High School graduation rates increased, the UC system increased its enrollment (most recently by building a new campus).

Enrollment at UC wouldn't change if it were free -- it will always be ~9% of graduating seniors.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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I work at a well known public uni. We can get state and federal funding for anything that aligns with democrat political talking points. We cannot get funding for basic tech and projects. We have a program where students design and build actual tech related directly to their degree and future employment, and we have to beg people to fund us. The school nor grants will find us in any way yet we are entirely bound to a…

So it seems that your complaint is that certain things are not funded enough at a university. Why is your conclusion then to defund universities entirely? It seems like a non sequitur.

Replace a non-functioning system with a new functioning system.

In other words, the "burn it to the ground and start over" approach.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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I often think about the role of universities in the education process. It seems that universities are just profit maximizing entities. They don't care about student's education unless it impacts their reputation or ability to make more money. They give the bare minimum support to teachers to teach as well as bare minimum investment in processes like admissions. Seems like universities are doing exactly what you'd exp…

Universities are centers of research so working towards funding and endowments makes sense. The students are there to learn and be a part of the existing culture. There are plenty of small and community colleges directed totally towards imparting academic knowledge however.

What percentage of published research is done by a university versus a private entity?

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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I still have no idea how he actually managed to win the primary. None of the Democrats or Progressives I know in real life or online actually liked him. He was doing terribly and then all of the sudden he cinched the nomination in the span of two weeks. I sense there was a lot of back room power-broker deals going on and that was the real reason why so many of his competitors dropped out when they still had a good ch…

Alot of marginalized people were terrified of another term for the last doofus. They didn't want to rock the boat with anyone who was not center of the road and well established.

I feel like that would have been better reflected in Joe Biden's poll numbers in the races before South Carolina. He ultimately won, yes, and I don't doubt that plenty of people voted strategically but it genuinely seems like a switch was flipped when that South Carolina representative endorsed Joe Biden - his results became dramatically better after that.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Wait, the claim doesn't match the little data presented and the primary claim is not examined or supported. 1) The Omnibus bill passed in 1993, but from the graph tuition was already increasing at 200% greater than inflation, and appears to have started in the mid 1980's; and 2) Why would the fact that the loans are now from the government mean that universities no longer had to compete on costs? The bill ultimately…

> Why would the fact that the loans are now from the government mean that universities no longer had to compete on costs? The bill ultimately goes to the student in either case.

Because 17 years old student taking out the loan is not financially experienced, so the issue of cost is often not properly considered.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Here's the problem. I have no formal education and I pay the same rate of tax as a degree holder. Even under this system, I am subsidizing someone who has had considerably more privilege than myself.

It's to your benefit to have educated people around you.

All of the ways I benefit, I pay for. From the educated doctor who treats my illness to the educated engineer who designed my car. I don't find that I benefit enough to want to pay twice.

Really the degree holders benefit from having me around. I've been a taxpayer since 13, worked full time since 15, consumed essentially only the government services that I was forced to at gunpoint and even then I left school before I was legally allowed to. Why don't you all chip in for my mortgage?

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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I believe you are confusing the student health fee with health insurance plan and they aren't the same thing. Student health fee goes into paying for the on-campus student services like the athletic fee, computer fee, etc. I haven't been a student in years but I do remember walking into the clinic and getting seen by someone right away. The services under that fee are kind of unique to student lifestyle: birth contro…

This was a student health fee that also covered health insurance for students (dental too). It was a basic program through Aetna Student Health. Also included urgent and basic services on campus as well as mental health services. I was also an online student that only attended on campus class for 1 weekend per semester. It made no sense to make everyone pay the fee that included significant amounts of benefits that w…

Okay I think I understand better. When I was a student the student health fee you were told was not insurance and compulsory. You could get insurance through the school for $1200/semester. This was mainly international, grad students and their families.

Like many first in their family college students I soon discovered a lot of scholarships only covered tuition (and books) and I was left to make up the difference in housing, meals, and fees. I felt the fees were a sly way for the college to scam money out of students. I was required to pay an athletic fee but they weren't required to give me tickets to every football game.

For schools, MBA programs are such a money pump if they were entitled to charge more they would. A lot cases the employer pays for the MBA program and they don't have the wherewithal to scrutinize excess fees. So, you end up with online students paying student health, rec, bus, and athletic fees.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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The academic industrial complex has since moved on to focusing on wealthy international students, a group that is even less cost sensitive than an American student with a blank check.

I really noticed this when reading the page for a grad school at a nearby university, maybe one of the students on any of the research teams in the department were American.

I think this is more likely caused by grad school being a poor investment for the average American but a great investment for a foreign student looking to get a job in America.

Re: High tuition costs mostly stem from the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993

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Universities are centers of research so working towards funding and endowments makes sense. The students are there to learn and be a part of the existing culture. There are plenty of small and community colleges directed totally towards imparting academic knowledge however.

What percentage of published research is done by a university versus a private entity?

sorry...most of researchers work for university, usually when open a random article, we can presume it is my wrote by a professor.
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