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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag employees back to their cubes.

He’s absolutely not a visionary.

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…

Not to undermine your point, wich which i agree wholeheartedly, but I wanted to address one thing. I imagine quite a lot of people who worked on M1 hardware probably still had to show up to the office. For some positions it is just required. A friend of mine who worked on hardware at Apple had to go to the office almost every day throughout the pandemic (and no, i dont know what product he worked on, and I am not goi…

I think onsite working can be nice but the problem is that it is really hard to find a company that doesn't try to cram you into an open plan office with at least half a dozen people.

I can't do any real work like that. Before COVID, I was going to the office to talk to people, attend meetings and do chores, whereas I did real work at home. It was unsustainable, as work ended up filling 80+ hours per week.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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In a talk Craig Federighi gave, he said some of his most inventive work was done remotely with his NeXT Cube in a cabin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sjym5ZS68&t=677s .

This sounds great. Maybe Apple thinks it can find someone else can do the same job in office. Also they can't just make exceptions for "talented" people, I guess.

> Also they can't just make exceptions for "talented" people, I guess.

Why not though?

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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But why ML people have to be forced in the office ?

He’s a director and is most likely supposed to be an example. “If the director isn’t coming in then why should I?”

Well, why should you? Nobody in that department needs to be at the office.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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"Elegant, inspiring, soaring prose often makes for incredibly shitty real-world advice." - hn_throwaway_99

Well, if you don't want your life to turn out Bukowski, don't take advice from Bukowski. As Modest Mouse said, "God, who'd want to be / Such an asshole?"

I think of that song every time I see Bukowski quoted.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Open question (I'm not American, so I don't get the full context): would you lose that bargaining power if a union was created at your workplace?

Say, for sake of argument, that I'm the World's Greatest Widget Engineer. I'm worth more than the average employee at my company, so I can get stuff I want by negotiating individually with my employer. On the other hand, if a union imposes some broad agreement on the company under threat of strikes, I can't convince my company to break that agreement on my own because I'm not more valuable than the entire rest of the…

This feels a little contrived. I work for an organisation with trade union representation and yes there is an agreed pay structure in place. This doesn't prevent management identifying particularly critical people and those people being rewarded/incentivised outside the norms of the pay scales (I am one of these people). Sometimes specific cases are discussed in the management/union meetings but not often and even then it's just a matter of management saying "Yeah that guy is the world's greatest widget engineer if he leaves we're screwed so we created a new job to keep him here".

It doesn't really go beyond that unless it's perceived that management are routinely violating the spirit of agreements and/or when the relationship between the union and management has already completely broken down.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#237
I doubt that he quit just because he was forced to go back to the office. He was probably unhappy there for multiple reasons. Keep in mind that he can get a job anywhere and probably will get better pay if he even needs to work ever again. So quitting is not a big deal for him. So keep that in mind to anyone thinking they can do the same.

It also speaks to the fact that no one is irreplaceable.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#238

Whether you favor in office or remote, you have to admit our cost structures have fundamentally reoriented the last 2 years. Think of the commuting costs, living near/far from the office, the different types of day care options, etc etc that have shifted in the last two years. Imagine being told you’re going to get a 10% cut in pay due to the need to go in the office? That’s what RTO probably feels like to peoples po…

Or you can work at a place that will give you a pay cut if you move out of the immediate Bay Area counties. Then you get the pay cut either way.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…

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