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Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Post by brobdingnagians »

hobs wrote: post #135
brobdingnagians wrote: post #67

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Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.

Are libertarians into informed consent? Because if they are, then they'd be against most of the data scraping going on.

Yep, they'd definitely be into informed consent. And would probably depend on the individual's definition of property.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Post by realityking »

Kbelicius wrote: post #113
d1sxeyes wrote: post #87

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From the Schrems II judgment: > Where the controller or a processor established in the European Union is not able to take adequate additional measures to guarantee such protection, the controller or processor or, failing that, the competent supervisory authority, are required to suspend or end the transfer of personal data to the third country concerned. It would seem as though any EU company that can be compelled to…

> I'm not familiar enough with the law in the US to understand whether the US authorities can compel an EU subsidiary of a US company to transfer data out of the EU, but if so... They can. If I remember correctly Microsoft refused FBI request for some data that was stored in Ireland so the Cloud Act was created.

It’s slightly more nuanced. In the case the FBI compelled Microsoft’s US operations, with employees based in the US to access data stored on a server in Ireland and to hand them over.

GP is wondering if no US employees had access to the data directly if US law would have Microsoft US order Microsoft Ireland (which is a wholly owned subsidiary) to transfer the data to the US.

It’s an interesting question. My non-lawyer take, even if they can force Microsoft US to make the request ultimately Microsoft Ireland is an Irish company operating under Irish law. If the data transfer to Microsoft US is illegal, they mustn’t do it.

A situation where this already happens is technology transfers. If information is export controlled (mostly military related), a foreign non-EU/non-NATO owner of a German company can ask and demand as much as they want, non of their employees will ever see that information.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Post by mauserng »

arnvald wrote: post #165
brabel wrote: post #64

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Looks great! But I feel that $9/month (up to 10k views) is a bit much for my personal website... I pay that much to Google now, but I get a whole suite of tools besides analyticsm, like email addresses (for my whole family under our surname as a domain, which is cool), my own domain (via GogoDaddy, but I got that via Google and pay Google only) and all the small business office tools they offer (though I think those…

Oh, it seems they raised their prices. I think I'm still on the old plan, cause I pay $48/year. Still, it looks like the cheapest option out there. Matomo costs €19/month, Fathom - $14/month (or $140/year), Piwik Pro has a free option, but they're very enterprise oriented, not sure if they're good for small sites

You can use Piwik PRO Core which is free up to 500.000 actions/month: http://piwik.pro/core-plan/

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Post by raxxorrax »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #67
mort96 wrote: post #59

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Libertarianism is so silly. "My freedom to live would be best served if there weren't politicians micromanaging other people's right to murder me". It's like a parody.

Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.

Libertarianism is always unpopular if people are afraid. And I believe many are very afraid now.

That said, I believe it is insufficient to only have this perspective, but of course that changes from person to person.

Expanding the law to disallow corporate surveillance would be almost too trivial. But nobody did it because they smelled it might lead to advantages.

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Post by suction »

cornedor wrote: post #176
suction wrote: post #156

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Yes, but not automatically and immediately as far as I know.

The law was already in place, there are no changes there. It was just a question how it should have been interpreted in this case afaik.

OK then it's a question if other EU members will use this as precedence. With the current frosty climate between the EU and US social media, I reckon it will.

Re: Austria's data protection authority has found that Google Analytics is illegal

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Post by d10r »

foxfluff wrote: post #159
wongarsu wrote: post #114

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Hetzner is the best hosting provider for dedicated servers (if you care about price). Gridscale is pretty good. The original Skype was a very solid product. Spotify still owns the digital music market.

Hetzner sucks if you care about support and not being arbitrarily blocked & banned without recourse or explanation.

Can't confirm, have been running stuff on Hetzner for almost 10 years. They will indeed auto-block you if any application is spamming the private subnet - happens e.g. with IPFS running in its default config. But this always comes after warnings and with an exact explanation of what happened (log of IPs the server attempted to connect to, timestamps etc). I always found support responsive, even in the middle of the night. It may be that I was lucky all the time, despite interacting with various support staff in various of their data centers. Or it may be that your issues had other reasons...
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