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Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Just recently I was setting up Windows 10. One of the first things it asked for is an email account or you can create one. Ugh. I remember the days when you didn't need an email account to setup an OS. Also Windows 10 has many nagging notifications if you are not logged in to Microsoft services.

Have you tried using google products lately? Ouch. Annoying.

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I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

This is what pisses me off from the tech industry and makes me want to save enough to retire and quit for good or open a non-tech business. When I dreamed about joining the industry a decade ago I saw all these new companies offering useful & innovative products/services that actually solved real problems and legitimately made people's lives better. I wanted to be part of this world and get in on the action, making h…

That’s partly why I’ve enjoyed working on “b2b” products in my career and have avoided working on “b2c”.

When your customers are using your product as part of their job, your incentive is (often) clear: make them more efficient at their job, which means make your product faster and easier to use. The vendor and the customer are aligned.

In the b2c world your goal is often “engagement”. Get the customer to spend as much time as possible in the app. Get them to use your app more than other apps. In a way you have to make your app less useful (to the customer) to make it more valuable to the vendor.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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> HTTPS can be implemented in a decentralized way How does that work? AFAIK there is always a root authority.

Keys can be exchanged without root authority. Root authority is only required for identifying that website owner is who he claims to be.

Yes, and without verifying that the owner is who he claims to be, exchanging keys is not of much value.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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> My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus Mine doesn't, because I don't plug it into the intertoobs. (I use a Roku box.)

My Roku shows ads on its home screen. Do you have an older model? Even my Roku remote control has ads: the Netflix, Disney, Hulu, and Sling shortcut buttons that can’t be reprogrammed.

They are not clearly ads, for most people they are features. As I’m visiting lots of hotels, my main criteria for watching TV there is if there’s a Netflix button or not on the remote.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go…

Back to gopher. Use native compiled apps and APIs for everything else. I’m serious. Probably shave a few gigawatts off the grid killing off electron apps.

It's not a bad idea. I've switched to terminal UI als for some stuff and the clean, fast and high visual density is really simulating.

A lot of the web is really just distraction and ad peddling crap

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I do understand. Look at Firefox: they are barely hanging on.

Only because the Mozilla foundation spends their money doing all kinds of dumb things that no one wants.

Their password program was an example of this.

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I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

Does “Sign up for iCloud” count as an ad? It’s a core (albeit optional) feature, included with the product the user has bought. The same could be said of Fitness+, or any of their other services. Yes, it’s “advertising”, but sits pretty inoffensively on the spectrum.

Even though I love my M1 Macbook Pro and iPad Pro, I have a lot of problems for them working together with my Android phone. I was thinking of switching to iPhone Pro Max (the only iPhone with big enough screen for my bad eyes), but it’s so thick and heavy (as thick as the tablet), that I feel like it would be uncomfortable for me.

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The problem is we don’t pay for the operating system anymore.

Aren't retailers still paying for licenses? Or there's some easier way to get keys as a business? I noticed even shops that sell refurbished computers will shove Windows 10 into them, I always thought it was around 10-20 bucks for a license, so that later they can charge us 90-100 for a computer with windows...

You can always just use vlmcsd

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

But what can we do? Ads provide employment for tens of millions of people and fund literally billions of hours of content watched a year. Even if you agree most is trash, it's also allowed some really high quality stuff to flourish while being able to stay relatively independent. It's strongly tied to economic growth, and thus everybody's pensions are tied up in the success of advertising. It seems illogical it makes…

True, it's a difficult proposition.

Currently the status quo is that tech people like me just exclude themselves from it. We can block ads very effectively, download video content with the ads removed etc. I see so few ads now that it really surprises me when I do get one.

It works for me but it's not a solution for society as a whole. We can already see adblockers becoming less effective as more people adopt them and ads are being served in different ways by companies like AdDefend.

But personally I don't mind the status quo, it works for me. Fixing the problems of society as a whole is not my problem.

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