A bad look when Alphabet is selling competing devices like Chromecast (at least partially competing) and then pull YouTube from Roku devices.
Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube
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#232So Google is using YouTube as leverage to convince Roku to do what they want, not just YouTube TV. This is literally a cable/network pissing match, except with streaming.
Fuck 'em both, honestly. Neither one is an innocent party.
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#233Sigh. Stuck in between corporate squabbles again.
Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube
#234A bad look when Alphabet is selling competing devices like Chromecast (at least partially competing) and then pull YouTube from Roku devices.
Interestingly, and only slightly related, Apple seems to be expanding the number of devices that it's on.
There was an apple.com web site recently that stated that either Apple Music or AppleTV was available on game consoles. Naturally, as soon as someone noticed and made it public, it was pulled. But it's interesting to see how readily the big content producers are willing to add and remove themselves from people's boxes.
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#235Why does Roku even need to work with YouTube to put YouTube on the device? It's a web page that can be opened in any browser. For that reason, I have to assume that Roku wants to extract money from Google here, and as with net neutrality, they're right to not pay.
It’s better used as an app on these devices. A webpage would be very cumbersome to use with a basic remote and lower powered processor. I also assume they integrated into search and other roku functionality.
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#236If a company is spreading lies about you then there is no reason to continue working with that company. I'm not saying Roku did that, but if they did then why would Google stay with them and try to argue instead of just leaving them? Edit: I am specifically referring to the fact that Google claims Roku did this: > Roku has once again chosen to make unproductive and baseless claims rather than try to work constructive…
Because it won’t look good in the trust-busting lawsuit. Monopolies kill competition like this. Is this different? Maybe. Doesn’t look good.
If Roku really did spread lies about Google then I doubt Roku would win the lawsuit. Google just needs to show the paper trail.
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#237Why does Roku even need to work with YouTube to put YouTube on the device? It's a web page that can be opened in any browser. For that reason, I have to assume that Roku wants to extract money from Google here, and as with net neutrality, they're right to not pay.
It’s better used as an app on these devices. A webpage would be very cumbersome to use with a basic remote and lower powered processor. I also assume they integrated into search and other roku functionality.
Could Roku start distributing New Pipe[0] or similar? It works ok-ish on my android TVs.
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#238A few weeks after all this beef started, Google emailed me with an offer for a free "Chromecast with Google TV" device. I thought it was weird, as the email (and the offer) was completely unsolicited. The email mentioned something about thanking me for being a YouTube-TV customer. I'm sure Google knows I watch YouTube-TV from my Roku-enabled TV, so I figured it was related to the beef. I just though it was weird at first (like, what's the catch here?), but now I get it - and it was a brilliant move. The Chromecast/Google-TV device is better, much more responsive than Roku on my TV, which was always my biggest complaint with Roku (too slow!). So now, I've pretty much abandoned Roku, and use my Chromecast/Google-TV device almost exclusively. Well-played, Google. Your move, Roku - send me free shit! LOL
Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube
#239Why does Roku even need to work with YouTube to put YouTube on the device? It's a web page that can be opened in any browser. For that reason, I have to assume that Roku wants to extract money from Google here, and as with net neutrality, they're right to not pay.
It’s better used as an app on these devices. A webpage would be very cumbersome to use with a basic remote and lower powered processor. I also assume they integrated into search and other roku functionality.
You'd think that, but YT engineers solved this challenge using two methods:
1. Build an efficient "browser" (HTML5 runtime) that can run a web app.
2. Write a webapp specifically targeted towards TVs, includes 10 foot interface, etc.
Source: https://cobalt.dev/
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#240Time to get a new TV then. It's been time for awhile but this is gonna be the inciting incident. And definitely not getting a Roku TV as my new one.
Just as the monopolistic Google hopes you'd do. Would you be interested in a Google product instead?