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If you are an expert in virology I’d love to know the answer to this question: If given the right resources, would it be feasible to synthesize a pandemic-inducing virus in a lab setting? If so, a general question: why haven’t the villains of the world done so already?
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My problem with people saying "but it was engineered!" is that it the origin does not change what our reaction should be. The virus is here and now we have to face it. Whether it's a natural mutation, part of a big masterplan, or an accidental release is a matter of international politics, in which most of us have very little, if anything to contribute.
yes, but if this research continues we are all at risk of another highly contagious human adapted virus escaping again. The goal should be to try and ban this type of research worldwide. While zoonotic viruses are always a risk, they are far easier to contain due to the time it takes for a virus to gain enough mutations to be easily infectious to other humans such as what happened with SARs1 and MERS. Researchers dev…
Coronaviruses have never been easy to contain. Not this one, nor any of the many other coronaviruses that have been endemic in humans for thousands of years.
We call the common cold common for a reason.
1. There is no viral backbone anyone knows of which would have been used in this research 2. There is no spike protein anyone knows of which would have been used in this research 3. The PRRAR furin cleavage site is not one humans would have tried it is unlike any other known furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses 4. There are now many known related sarbecoviruses which have been found with furin cleavage sites 5. Furi…
Daczak serves on the WHO team to investigate the virus origins, but this did not get mentioned in any reports. Instead he warns other not to discuss it. He does not include notes that research was done on modifying bat viruses to make them infectious to human cells. These behaviors look like a guilty person, do they not? The wuhan and eco-health researchers had already started work on the furin cleavage sites and why…
Do also note that damn near every lab today would not propose a new approach or project without already secretly having gone half the way in it with prior funds. No one proposes a potential novel idea without already being fully sure it will work.
1. There is no viral backbone anyone knows of which would have been used in this research 2. There is no spike protein anyone knows of which would have been used in this research 3. The PRRAR furin cleavage site is not one humans would have tried it is unlike any other known furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses 4. There are now many known related sarbecoviruses which have been found with furin cleavage sites 5. Furi…
> 1. There is no viral backbone anyone knows of which would have been used in this research > 2. There is no spike protein anyone knows of which would have been used in this research > 3. The PRRAR furin cleavage site is not one humans would have tried it is unlike any other known furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses I believe what you mean to say here is that there is no published literature describing these things…
Could you provide some data to support the assertion that the virus was engineered? I'm hoping something like a leaked paper, or a lab notebook, or maybe hand written data on a piece of scrap paper that somebody found in the garbage bin in china.. I mean, I'll take anything.
Why is this being flagged? Genuinely asking.
Every anti-chinese story on here usually gets flagged into oblivion(or page 2, even with plenty of upvotes), be it by bots or Chinese tech workers.
You may be falling prey to the notice-dislike bias (you're more likely to notice and put weight on the things you dislike), which leads to false feelings of generality.
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Your comment broke the site guidelines badly. Please read the rules and follow them when posting to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
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Every anti-chinese story on here usually gets flagged into oblivion(or page 2, even with plenty of upvotes), be it by bots or Chinese tech workers.
HN (Y Combinator) has an incentive to curb posts that could potentially make China angry. Being a forefront Silicon Valley investment company, they have to play the globalist game. Therefore, I suspect there may be policies in place, whether spoken or unspoken to suppress these types of posts. I don't doubt that there are bots or Chinese nationals that also downvote/flag these posts as well.
I mean, it's possible that you know more about my unconscious than I do - but I think the odds are low. I'm pretty sure we're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck and don't give a shit about the "globalist game".
Re "I don't doubt that there are bots or Chinese nationals that also downvote/flag these posts as well" - would you mind reviewing the site guidelines, which specifically ask you not to post like that?
Why is this being flagged? Genuinely asking.
I've flagged it. Article is ok. But the title on HN is a cheap clickbait. Someone, in USA, asking for a grant in the past doesn't point to anything about origins of SARS-CoV-2.
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Are you a scientist? I was. I can tell you that all of those quotes require a great deal of inspection and you cannot take them at face value. At the very least, most scientists speak ultra-confidently about this beliefs (beyond their own internal level of confidence) because they've learned to use narrative techniques to make their beliefs sound true. Any scientist who is actively speculating that this funding is "s…
There is a thing that you are full of. I'mma be polite but you are full to the brim of it. edit: Wow, flagged within one minute. That's not weird at all /s So I'll expand: The comment above is ridiculous for 7 reasons. Try to find them all.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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I've been extremely wary of how some of the evidence of Covid-19 origins have come about, particular because so much of it has been presented as "Well, we've never seen this before, so it must have lab origins." That said, I think the context around this is extremely damning for Daszak. I didn't realize this until reading the Wikipedia article on Daszak, but he was the one that organized the Feb 2020 letter in the La…
>I didn't realize this until reading the Wikipedia article on Daszak, but he was the one that organized the Feb 2020 letter in the Lancet condemning suggestions of a lab origin for Covid-19 as conspiracy theories. Tangent, but if it takes this long to learn a fact like that, consider a critical audit of your regular news sources.
E.g. I want to know the different reasonable perspectives on issues/events without entertaining every kooky idea. In this case, I feel like I lumped what seems a plausible concern in with kooky ideas, and so missed the entire non-kooky narrative.