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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jiggawatts »

cm2187 wrote: post #192
kblev wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also remo…

I noticed that it wakes from sleep for windows updates now, which not only is annoying (Bluetooth devices suddenly waking up too), but windows update often requires intense CPU usage as defender does its dirty things, .net re-JITs, etc.

This is a life-threating design. A high-end "gamer" laptop in a bag powering up unexpectedly could easily catch fire and kill someone.

These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by toxik »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #228
reitzensteinm wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 2020 MBP, and it's as shitty as any high end Windows laptop I've used. The thermals are awful under moderate CPU use, the fan spins when using an external monitor, the battery vampire drains when it's shut for an extended time instead of saving memory to disk and shutting off. I think what really happens is people compare $1k Dells with $3k Apples. I'm looking forward to an M1X MBP, though. That may legitima…

Posted in another comment thread, but my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014) has been awesome! No issues, no repairs or replacements and still going strong. Maybe I got lucky but I really hope my next machine (probably going to buy the next 16" pro) will last as long.

I have the same laptop, it works pretty decently. However: YOU WILL NOT HAVE MACOS MONTEREY, because Apple decided seven years is enough.

Manufactured obsolescence.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by black_puppydog »

FWIW, Dell replaced my mainboard on site and in a timely way, and without asking any stupid questions, especially not about whether it had been in a bag or the like...

Once I convinced them that no, their crappy machine is not broken because I'm running Linux on it.

I made the mistake of buying a 7390 2in1 just before the pandemic and got stuck with it. It's my favourite personal soapbox ever since. Needless to say, I won't be buying Dell again either...

Edit: there, a lengthy rant about this piece of crap and how misguided it is to give it the near-same model number as their linux flagship: https://ssb.muchmuch.coffee/%25xCjWwwuseVVLq%2F4FYbf1KUc5vHz...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by vorpalhex »

bestouff wrote: post #110
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I have an XPS 9500 under Linux (this is a >$4000 machine), no amount of fiddling with BIOS settings (which are few) or systemd/GNOME settings will make it work reliably: - short suspend time (it can't really stay overnight when suspended with a full battery) - sometimes it wakes up and overheats in the bag - very short battery duration when unplugged Apparently I'm not alone, and even under Windows it's a generalized…

Did you try installing the Dell apt repository and drivers plus tlp?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dagw »

hetspookjee wrote: post #156

I really wonder what still drives people to Dell? Their products looks marvelous on the tech sheet, and that's also where the marvel ends. In my current career I've yet to touch a Dell laptop that doesn't try to melt itself by simply turning on, or fails to respond to touching the power button. It's as if the operation of the Power Button is a schrodinger cat. Any corporation that is operating exclusively on Dell I d…

but rather go with Lenovo

I went Lenovo, and it was not an improvement over my previous Dell. It wakes up and kills the battery when the lid is closed all the time. And at essentially the same spec I get less than half the battery and twice the fan noise compare to the Dell.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dagw »

dexterlagan wrote: post #30

XPS15 owner here. Had this exact problem during the first year of ownership. Somehow Windows updates changed this behavior and I haven't had any more battery draining / overheating in bag since. But I will not buy Dell again. Too many little problems. I haven't had ONE problem of this kind with ThinkPad's, in maybe 25 years of use.

I haven't had ONE problem of this kind with ThinkPad

My P series ThinkPad does this all the time.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lelandfe »

toxik wrote: post #232
michaelanckaert wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posted in another comment thread, but my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014) has been awesome! No issues, no repairs or replacements and still going strong. Maybe I got lucky but I really hope my next machine (probably going to buy the next 16" pro) will last as long.

I have the same laptop, it works pretty decently. However: YOU WILL NOT HAVE MACOS MONTEREY, because Apple decided seven years is enough. Manufactured obsolescence.

I don’t think 7 years of major OS upgrades and support is really a good example of planned obsolescence…

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by avianlyric »

toxik wrote: post #220
chriswarbo wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple laptops have their own problems, like delivering mild electric shocks from their exposed-metal cases. Unfortunately the trend of copying Apple has lead to other manufacturers having exposed-metal cases, and inheriting this flaw.

I had an electrical engineer tell me this was more or less inevitable. I thought that sounded very strange.

I suspect that without complete galvanic isolation (which would require a transformer in the power supply), you can’t avoid this phenomenon.

Although why you can avoid it probably depends on what country you’re in. But as a general rule it pretty tricky to get a true “zero volt” reference out of an AC socket. (You can’t know if the neutral is actually zero-volts, or just a different phase, or if a fault elsewhere has caused your neutral to drift slightly. Equally you can’t rely on the ground, because if you started leaking current down it, it would trip the ground current leak protector and turn your house off).

Which means the ground the power supply presents to the device is alway gonna be a little bit off.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by JeremyNT »

Note, this isn't Dell specific - the loss of s3 sleep is coming from Intel and Microsoft. The idea is that S0ix is supposed to "replace" s3, but (at least on Linux) it's a horrible mess.

I have a System76/Clevo - ostensibly one of the better choices for running Linux - and S0ix at best drains like ~5% of my battery overnight, and at worst it doesn't work at all.

Some will quip that I shouldn't expect sleep to work on Linux anyway, but this defies my experience with S3 on Linux (which has "just worked" for the last decade for me) so this is a substantial downgrade.

Do yourself a favor and avoid Tiger Lake and newer if you care about reliable sleep.

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