How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by marcus_holmes » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

fleischhauf wrote: post #202

marcus_holmes wrote: post #157

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I have the same thing. I often contemplate my death, and how I am going to die. And yes, I derive some comfort from it - knowing I have lived my best life and done the best I could at it. There are things I haven't achieved yet that I want to experience, so I don't want to go just yet. But if it happens, then I'm good with that. But I'm an atheist, and firmly believe that this is all we get, and death really is the e…

I like the fact that we are made of atoms. Even if we die they will remain, even if it is only energy. So, for me its very comforting to think that sure i will stop exisiting as this configuration of tiny particles, however its not the end, its just a reconfiguration and i will become one with the universe, a tiny part of everything.

I like the "wave" metaphor for this. We are just waves in the surface of existence. When we stop being a wave the water remains, ready to be part of the next wave.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by liamwire » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #222

dragonwriter wrote: post #93

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> The 0.10% case of either saving a woman's life or in cases of rape and incest as turned into the justification ...for nothing. The right to abortion isn't premised on any of those, in general. The only one that is particularly relevant as a justification is protecting the life of the mother, and that mostly has to do with abortions later in pregnancy, Cobstitutionally. Otherwise, the justification of abortion is bo…

> the justification of abortion is bodily autonomy then why do so many pro-choicers also hate vaxxers? And please don't say "that's different, it affects other people!"

> And please don't say "that's different, it affects other people!"

Preempting the flaw in your strawman doesn’t invalidate it. A woman choosing to abort a pregnancy has no bearing on anyone but her. In contrast, the anti-vaccine crowd both directly, and indirectly, contribute to the propagation of disease.

Your right to bodily autonomy stops at society’s doorstep, which is broadly agreeing that the unvaccinated don’t get to participate in the non-essential aspects of society, otherwise furthering the risk to everyone else without reason.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by coliveira » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:31 PM UTC

draugadrotten wrote: post #148

coliveira wrote: post #113

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If society wants more babies, the path is easy: provide financial help for couples and single mothers. The way it currently is, abortion is very attractive.

Financial help is not all it takes to stop abortions. There are welfare states such as scandinavian ones where the financial help for having children and/or being a single mother is very generous. A single mother with 6 children can receive financial aid to the equivalent of a senior software engineer salary without having to work at all. Source: https://www.expressen.se/gt/gt-granskar/shukri-hade-fatt-lik... Even wi…

Your data shows that the trend of abortion in Sweden is stable since the 70s. So, no, there is no correlation between abortion and a decrease in birth rates.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by coliveira » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC

lostcolony wrote: post #132

coliveira wrote: post #113

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If society wants more babies, the path is easy: provide financial help for couples and single mothers. The way it currently is, abortion is very attractive.

Yep. Carlin had this right; it's not being pro-life, it's being pro-birth. From birth until they turn 18 and can join the military, fuck 'em.

Exactly. People seem to forget why birthrates were so high in the past. It is not just lack of abortion (which happened), but the fact that more children would provide additional help in the daily farm work. In other words, it was very cheap ho have children and the financial benefit existed. In a post-industrial society, these incentives are reversed. It is very expensive to have children, and there are no financial incentives. That's why we have the declining birth rates everywhere we have an economically developed society.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by telesilla » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

The book When Breath Became Air by Dr. Paul Kalanithi tells the story of his dying. I found it very liberating to learn more about the process from a trauma expert. I'm also slowly making my way through a more medical book currently called How We Die that outlines the actual body processes of the ways we die. I cannot recommend it highly enough.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49286.How_We_Die

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by Shorel » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 1:57 PM UTC

raptorraver wrote: post #136

wombatmobile wrote: post #127

The important difference between physicians and non-physicians in relation to death is not that doctors understand disease mechanisms. It is that doctor's are familiar with death. Ordinary people aren't as familiar with death, and don't have a wide range of responses to it because society hides it and pretends it doesn't exist. The main place regular people encounter death is on the news as a statistic of war and cri…

Due religious reasons I'm contemplating my death quite often. Not daily but I try to do it at least weekly. I don't say it has made me comfortable about being mortal but compared to people around me I seem to have more casual relationship to it. Like the other day my boss asked me if I'll come to the office next week and with smile on my face I answered, that yes I'll come if I won't die during weekend. He got quite…

Memento mori.

I think about my own death, or some disability, at about the same frequency.

What would I do if I lost my hearing, or my sight.

It is one of the reasons I try to live this life, instead of waiting for some future rewards in an uncertain afterlife.

Yes, I am not religious, and I think being religious has little to do with thinking about death. Death is the great equalizer.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by lostcolony » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 2:02 PM UTC

emn13 wrote: post #189

Thorrez wrote: post #180

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>those are almost universally due to health risks >But data suggest that most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1363/4521013 >“[t]here aren’t good data on how often later abortions are for medical reasons.” >“Based on limited research and discussions with researchers in the field, Dr. Foster believes that ab…

For perspective, note that the studies you're referring to are studying a rare occurrence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion refers to CDC statistics that 1% of abortions may be at 21+ weeks, but even that is with the caveat that what they're really looking at is medical procedures, and thus that "According to the CDC, due to data collection difficulties the data must be viewed as tentative and some fetal deaths…

Not to mention the reply left out my original "possibly also a major change in financial status, relationship, etc", since my entire point was that late term abortions, while for a variety of reasons, are not simply people taking the most expensive, most traumatic, most controversial option as a form of contraceptive. It's for a variety of nuanced, complex reasons that aren't "for convenience", as the convenient path is always to abort or prevent the pregnancy earlier. Which is why pro-choice advocates say it should be between the woman and her doctor, -not- government; the fact the situation is arising at all means it is exceptional.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by arcbyte » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 2:07 PM UTC

ehnto wrote: post #115

arcbyte wrote: post #102

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Well he did qualify the reasons he provided as being only 0.1%. So obviously there are 99.9% more reasons. But then here you come with the ~93% of reasons that boil down to convenience. It's more convenient to murder this baby than to not murder it so murder it is. There is a very important and overlooked 7% of abortions that are medically related that save the whole concept of legal abortion for me. Mothers who want…

> But then here you come with the ~93% of reasons that boil down to convenience. It is absolutely not convenience. To flip it another way, these are often homes you would never allow to adopt a baby, or homes where the child is inevitably taken by child services due to abuse or incapacity of the parent(s). Then they end up in foster care, far too late to be adopted by the nice well-to-do family with a white picket fe…

You're right. Those homes are too difficult, too far gone. They have no hope anyway. There's no point in giving them an opportunity when killing is easier.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

tomasdore wrote: post #197

dragonwriter wrote: post #93

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> The 0.10% case of either saving a woman's life or in cases of rape and incest as turned into the justification ...for nothing. The right to abortion isn't premised on any of those, in general. The only one that is particularly relevant as a justification is protecting the life of the mother, and that mostly has to do with abortions later in pregnancy, Cobstitutionally. Otherwise, the justification of abortion is bo…

Bodily autonomy? Is that a thing in the law? What's the justification for the drugs laws then?

> Bodily autonomy? Is that a thing in the law?

By name, no. It’s a popular term which I think maps pretty well to a large and significant subset of “privacy” law under the Supreme Court’s 5th (as applies to the federal government) and 14th (as applies to the States) Amendment “due process” jurisprudence.

> What's the justification for the drugs laws then?

Arguably, none. The only case which has reached the Supreme Court in which I ama aware of the relevant Constitutional argument was kind-of considered against the Controlled Substances Act used it as an argument in the lower courts for Constitutional avoidance (a doctrine under which the courts read ambiguity in laws to favor an interpretation which does not violate the Constitution), and the Court refused to apply it because the law was not ambiguously crafted so as to permit the reading preferred, even if it was Cobstitutionally necessary; because invalidity of the law itself was not argued at the lower court, the Supreme Court declined to consider it for the first time on appeal. United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative, 532 U.S. 483 (2001).

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by selimthegrim » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #155

alentist wrote: post #143

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Have you considered basing your characterization of 2.5 billion people on reality, rather than your own twisted mental gymnastics and fabrication of their beliefs?

I am basing my characterization on hundreds of associates, acquaintances and encounters, as well as second-hand anecdotes, from a time span of three decades.

None other than the founder of EWTN, as well as Mother Teresa agreed with him.