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Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by andi999 »

tekproxy wrote: post #107
rebelos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gates was a ruthless tyrant in his Microsoft days. He worked very hard to rehab his image after leaving. Work that might be completely undone if the nature of his alleged involvement with Epstein and the reprehensible things that may have entailed ever surface. He appears to have lost his wife because of the cloud of suspicion there.

Ruthless brilliant maniacal tyrant. For more context, there's this famous story: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/06/16/my-first-billg-rev...

Interesting read. What part seems problematic to you?

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Post by rendall »

gamblor956 wrote: post #212
rendall wrote: post #77

I don't know why anyone would take that book seriously. The author made up the story about Musk demanding to be CEO of Apple, then doubled down when both Musk and Cook denied it. An astonishing example of journalistic malpractice. In any other time this would be career-ending https://twitter.com/timkhiggins/status/1421156081041088512?s...

The author did not make up the story; he is simply relaying a story that multiple current and former Tesla employees said they were told...by Musk himself. As actually relayed in the book, the point of the story is not that Musk actually wanted to become CEO of Apple-Tesla (the author notes that the story is implausible), but that Musk felt the need to burnish his image by making up such a story in the first place.

Ok. I understand better.

The contention is that Musk told a tall, entertaining tale that was untrue. Fair.

But also that the tale indicates something dark about Musk's character? That seems a stretch.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by NorwegianDude »

nabla9 wrote: post #89
NorwegianDude wrote: post #61

Somewhat of topic but: > Tesla co-founder and CEO Elon Musk Why do people keep thinking Elon founded Tesla? Pretty sure he wasn't one of the founders, so I don't get why people think so.

There were two founders originally, Eberhard and Tarpenning. Musk was just a investor. After Eberhard left he sued Tesla for trying to rewrite history. Then he settled with agreement that Musk and two others (Straubel and Wright) were added to the list of founders. Money solves these things. Now Musk is now officially a Founder.

Either you are a founder, or you're not. It can't be changed, the same way we can't change who was the first man on the moon. Musk isn't a founder of Tesla, and that also means that he'll never be the founder of tesla.

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Post by NorwegianDude »

belltaco wrote: post #117
NorwegianDude wrote: post #61

Somewhat of topic but: > Tesla co-founder and CEO Elon Musk Why do people keep thinking Elon founded Tesla? Pretty sure he wasn't one of the founders, so I don't get why people think so.

https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk

That page is "fake news". Musk didn't found Tesla, that's the whole point.

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Post by fsloth »

IntrepidWorm wrote: post #166
fsloth wrote: post #101

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You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals. Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult…

> Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult exercise. . Small point of contention- people with high-functioning autism (aspergers pre DSM-5) generally understand and care how they are perceived, but still have difficulty interacting in social spac…

Quite true, my expression was very clumsy.

I know very closely several diagnozed asperger spectrum persons - I should have written their behaviour may seem non-caring when in fact they may try their hardest to behave as neurotypical would and to act in the best manners they understand. But human interactions are really complex and difficult.

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Post by fsloth »

outworlder wrote: post #116
fsloth wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be callous to be a psycopath. And you don't need to be a psycopath to be callous. If you think someone is an a-hole, call the person an a-hole. Please leave diagnostics for professionals. Musk said he is in the asperger spectrum. Among other things, it generally makes you not care what other think about you. And may lead to behaviour that is "acted" because all social interactions may be a difficult…

> Please leave diagnostics for professionals. > asperger spectrum This is no longer recognized in the DSM-5.

I don't know what that is. The world does not rotate (always) around US medical standards.

Asperger/autism - it's still a spectrum that's affected with neurological function.

So we are talking about neurologically distinct persons who may have been called in some instances as "being on the asperger spectrum".

What is the current accepted terminology for this neurological profile?

(I have close family diagnozed by neurologists 'on this spectrum' - and it is very much a specific neurological profile whatever we may call it).

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Post by me_me_me »

bostonsre wrote: post #84
WA wrote: post #34

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You don’t need to read fabricated facts if you simply can follow Elon on Twitter. If you put down the rose-tinted glasses, you see that he puts out a lot of dumb stuff and many lies.

Yes, but he is also building a massive friggin reusable rocket and has built rocket boosters that land. He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better. He is a weird dude that has a weird sense of humor. Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress.

> He is emotional because he cares about changing the world for the better

Unless you know him personally, this statement reads like a naive teen idolising a politician that will 'fix' all issues. You dont know what he is like, what he wants out of the life. All you know is a public person he and his PR team puts out.

Whats your opinion on dalai lama? Read up on how he is behind the closed door. Kind, humble, head bowing monk or a leader of exiled country and religion under attack by china?

> Jumping down his throat for bad jokes seems like it actively hinders human kind's progress.

Judging Musk by his actions not promises nor PR speeches, he is at least an asshole. Whatever he is IRL one thing is sure, he is not a saviour nor a tech jesus just a businessman.

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Post by me_me_me »

threeseed wrote: post #167
outworlder wrote: post #135

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Steve Jobs was. Steve Ballmer made chairs fly. Bill Gates was also (verbally) abusive. They both stayed at their companies for quite a while. Where was the pressure for them to change their behavior?

2 examples. Out of how many tens of thousands of startups. A lot of bad behaviour was tolerated in previous decades across many industries. That doesn’t mean that it is today or will be in the future.

Prominent figures in the biggest winners of the IT boom were toxic. What makes you think other ceo's of smaller companies are not going to look up to the winners.

>A lot of bad behaviour was tolerated in previous decades across many industries.

IS tolerated. Petty, irrational bosses are reality in many sectors not just low level services. You sound like you never worked blue collar job and only heard about it or observed it from afar.

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Post by me_me_me »

clairity wrote: post #137
cronix wrote: post #115

This reads almost identically to Steve Jobs history at Apple revealed in Walter Isaacson's biography of him. > But it’s a difficult and exhausting book. Jobs was a world-class asshole. He was a selfish, self-centered man who heaped abuse on everyone around him. After a few hours, the catalog of tantrums, tirades and put-downs wears thin. You may have huge admiration for Jobs’s accomplishments, but it can be hard to h…

> > “You guys failed,” he said, looking directly at the Lisa team. “You’re a B team. B players. Too many people here are B or C players, so today we are releasing some of you to have the opportunity to work at our sister companies here in the valley.” perhaps it happened this way and jobs was overly caustic, but zooming out from that emotionality, the designated outcome was not necessarily a bad one. it's in fact the…

> perhaps it happened this way and jobs was overly caustic, but zooming out from that emotionality, the designated outcome was not necessarily a bad one.

You walk down the street and someone you know in passing tells you:

"Hey, you gain a lot of weight. You look fat and ugly. Nobody will love you so loose weight."

don't get offended they are just trying to help you. Humans are emotional creatures, treating them as if they are robots is reserved for psychopaths.

Besides if you are the boss and team fails to deliver, guess who is to blame first. Its the fucking boss who failed to access the task and oversee the progress.

Re: Tesla CEO berated employees, investors and tried to get rid of safety measures

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Post by me_me_me »

udev wrote: post #93

I've been observing one thing about Musk... He seems to not have a surgically precise thinking at all times like some smart people do, but he is always right in the stochastic sense if you will, over longer periods of time, he tends to be exactly right. (And I agree that he can be despicable at times. To me the "pedo" thing is unforgivable.)

> over longer periods of time, he tends to be exactly right.

Like he was with the faster tunnel digging, or rockets instead of planes, or hyperloop, or the tunnel thing that is not a subway because its different.

All of his successful businesses were already established tech, he gathered the experts and funding to build a company. Its great and congratulation for being successful business builder. But he failed at every 'future' tech ideas.

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