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I think in this case it would be called an alarm clock.
And it should be a wind-up mechanical one so that power failures don't affect it.
Mental failures affect those. I would never remember to wind it.
Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
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It really is. Things get comfortable and people assume that's always how it was. Like cell phones. Wow, over a decade of them and if you had one 15 years ago you were considered a early adapter, and 20 years ago you were way ahead the curve. If you had one in the 90's, wow. Still, mobile computer in your pocket, wow.
> Still, mobile computer in your pocket, wow. it really bothers me, you know? we've got so much storage and so many/good sensors, yet the software kinda pushes you to use the device for watching dumb videos and/or to argue worthlessly with other random people, so that you can get served ads in the meantime.
I dunno, mine sees tons of use as a:
- Calculator
- Bill-paying device
- Flashlight (soooooo much use as a flashlight)
- Thermostat adjuster ("smart" thermostats saved us running a wire for a second-floor zone, so, whatever, we've got them, they're OK)
- Level
- Document scanner
- Note taking/reading device
- Timer (kitchen; any board or party game that has an hourglass that you've misplaced)
- iPod-alike for the car (replaces burned CDs)
- Alarm clock
- Takeout/delivery orderer
- Check depositing device
- Shopping list displayer
- Navigation aid
- Taxi hailer
- Probably other stuff I'm forgetting
I don't think I'm even particularly "in to" using it as much as some people do—I can't bring myself to trust Apple Pay to work, so it doesn't replace my wallet and in fact I think I've only used that feature once ever; I don't really game on it; I read on an e-ink reader or on a huge iPad, not my phone; I don't do any "smart home" stuff aside from the thermostat; my use of Siri is limited to setting reminders and alarms, and putting addresses into navigation to save having to type them; in about a decade of smartphone ownership I think I can count the movies or episodes of something that I've watched on my phone on one hand; I don't do workout tracking or any of that sort of thing.
[EDIT] oh, right, camera, obviously. It replaces the family camera and camcorder of my youth, completely.
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Googlers thinking non-Googlers are unqualified to comment on anything seems like a fairly common theme to me. I really wonder what caused this kind of ideological entitlement. Was it a company culture that never said "no"? Was it the constant talk of how Googlers are just smarter and more brilliant than everyone else? Genuinely curious.
It was the part where people decided to ignore what was actually being presented, and instead derailed every possible conversation about google into their predetermined track. Not you specifically, but this entire fuschia thread. What is someone to think when every time their work is presented publicly the comments are all completed unrelated to what was presented? You too would conclude that group is unlikely to pre…
Perhaps it would useful for Google and googlers to "read the room" - as it were - and consider why a lot of people have such strong reactions to Google's conduct and methods, why a lot of people are distrustful of anything that comes out of Google (and FAANG in general), and why the reactions are so strong from privacy advocates and the open source/free software crowd in particular, in context of where and how Google started and where it is now.
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Could you say something, how the kernel is different from linux for example? Why would I want to choose Fuchsia for a smartphone, for example. Where is the advantage?
The key concepts are documented here: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts Some things that Fuchsia was able to do thanks to starting from scratch: - The system is based on capabilities, a security model which is based on explicit tracking of permissions. It wouldn't be possible to change Linux to be capability-based because the ambiant-authority model has been used pervasively since it was conceived 30 years ago…
Implementing capability-based security in a typical Unix (and thus Linux) is definitely possible, see FreeBSD's Capsicum.
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Yes, now when Google's social enforcement algorithms label you an impediment, they can not only delete your YouTube video business and cut you off from your email, calendar, and Google Docs, they'll be able to turn the heat off in your house. The march of progress.
Five years ago, I would have thought you were trolling, but now you are right. With this scorched earth mentality exercised by the big companies, this is a very real possibility. What scared me quite a bit was Apple blocking all services when an Apple Card wasn't paid. That leads me to believe that Google could via an algorithm's decision disable a Nest thermostat during winter. I don't see IoT as anything but a risk…
Google is even worse. You can get banned (your entire google account) because of a random algo. https://9to5google.com/2019/11/09/google-account-bans-youtub...
Or imagine, they can ban your because of speech their don't like i.e political opinions
Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#236Its just a attack on linux. Just like what they did to firefox. Made a superior browser and make it opensource and gain monopoly. Now they have control over os. They can do anything.
Wake me up when they do that "anything". In the mean time they've created useful and successful open-source products which anyone can benefit from.
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#237I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?
Fuschia forums? People are discussing the news of a new OS release and its implications.
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It's not really true for Android either because the graphics drivers are mostly userspace and end up coupled with a lot of the vendor provided stuff. Fuchsia has no GPL so it's unlikely any of the driver source will be available to you.
> Fuchsia has no GPL so it's unlikely any of the driver source will be available to you. The open-source repository already contains over 50 directories named `drivers`: https://cs.opensource.google/search?q=f:drivers%2F$&sq=&ss=f...
Yes, but it's very unlikely that chipset vendors like QC or MTK will provide the source to their drivers. Why would they?
On the other hand, if the driver interfaces are stable, it should be possible to implement a GPL kernel that can use these drivers.
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How many of your colleagues are outside Google?
I'm not sure I understand the question, but you may be interested in the following article about Samsung contributing to Fuchsia: https://9to5google.com/2021/05/12/samsung-contributing-f2fs-...
They're probably talking about things like Go where it's open source, but it's controlled by Google employees.
https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoIsGoo...
Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#24010 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…
> Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web... Since Chrome came along, the 'Web' became less free from the start and the moment Google forked WebKit (called Blink) to use it in their own browser, it has turned the web more into a walle…
There's so much here that I don't really know where to start. Maybe some history could be useful?
When Chrome came along, the dominant browser was Internet Explorer 7. It had been out for two years when Chrome 1.0 was released. Before IE7, the world ran IE6 for five years. Web development was largely stagnant. That was the world that Chrome came into.
Before DRM support was added to browsers, you needed to install plugins to watch protected content. Despite what detractors might think, the content producers were never going to go YOLO and release their content without any protection. There are a lot of us that are happy that we can watch Netflix, Prime or whatever in our browsers.
That a ton of desktop apps use Electron is an indictment of the state of native toolkit. Saying that Fuchsia is highly dependent on Flutter is like saying Linux is highly dependent on GTK. With that said, maybe your crystal ball on the future of Fuchsia isn't so clear.