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Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by tomp »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #179
glsdfgkjsklfj wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arbitrary code isn't banned on iOS It is. Even mozilla firefox is banned on the premise that it can run arbitrary code and yes, that is the official apple instance. The fact that they apply it when they see fit and allow other times, and that it is totally arbitrary and opaque based on their own private interests , is exactly what everyone with common sense tried to explain when criticizing the walled garden.

My understanding is that what's banned on iOS is not arbitrary code per se, it's arbitrary code downloaded from the internet. Code you enter yourself, like in Pythonista, is just fine.

Isn't the problem JITing? Mozilla could ship Firefox, even with the JS engine, it would simply be unusable (compared to Safari) because they wouldn't be allowed to run JIT (only interpreter).

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by yaur »

kbelder wrote: post #9
blakesterz wrote: post #2

I had to go look to see what this was: "DroidScript is an easy to use, portable coding tool which simplifies mobile App development. It dramatically improves productivity by speeding up development by as much as 10x compared with using the standard development tools. It’s also an ideal tool for learning JavaScript, you can literally code anywhere with DroidScript, it’s not cloud based and doesn’t require an internet…

This is my primary hacking tool for throwing little scripts together on Android. You can bring up an IDE in chrome on your PC and interactively execute it on your phone. I hope this gets fixed. I wouldn't really be surprised if EVERY scripting/programming app in the play store technically violates some play store rules, though.

Do these scripts run as the IDE? If so it seems like they could be held responsible for any bad behavior engaged in by their users.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by therealjumbo »

pdkl95 wrote: post #73
nromiun wrote: post #26

> We don't allow apps with any code that could put a user, a user’s data, or a device at risk. If Google thinks the ability to execute arbitrary code puts users' data at risk why don't they go the full iOS route and ban everything, from scripting apps to other JS engines beside Chromium? I am so sick of their behaviour, the only reason I am still on Android because things like F-Droid still exists and iOS is even mor…

>> "Can't you just make us a general-purpose computer that runs all the programs, except the ones that scare and anger us? Can't you just make us an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?"[1] The War On General Purpose Computing continues. Far too many business models depend on selling general purpose computers as "appliances". They presume it is possible to…

I think the more interesting cases are 3D printing of weapons, and in the future programmable biological material. One of his statements is that he himself, may not like the applications enabled by general purpose computing, but that even if he personally doesn't like them they shouldn't be outlawed or banned.

Google messing around with their app store is peanuts compared to the government banning or restricting 3D printers because they could be used to evade gun control for example.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

suifbwish wrote: post #159
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm personally planning to replace termux with a full chroot; my phone is rooted, so all I need is an app to give me the actual terminal emulator and I'm good. This would be fine for running the odd Go utility, but is likely to be insufficient if you're doing anything with the actual Android API (which termux has been great at). And of course, in the long term this is just another reason for me to hope the pinephone…

I am curious what root kit you use for rooting your droid? I’ve always been hesitant to trust 3rd party kits like that.

I use magisk; it's open source and reputable.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by cecja »

Aachen wrote: post #107
ddtaylor wrote: post #43

Google bans thing. Ban gets attention on HN and a few other social media sites. Google unbans thing. Repeat.

Not just Google, also Microsoft and others (see youtube-dl). The question is how we can break the cycle in favor of hackers rather than in favor of big corporations.

The Microsoft Community is the worst of the bunch most of the answers are from certified whatevers and are the same 3-4 boilerplate responses AND there are techsupport/remotedesktop scams running wild on the platform. Infuriating.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by 3np »

x86ARMsRace wrote: post #142
goda90 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out their philosophy[0]. They aren't exactly a company targeting end user consumers. They want to put affordable hardware in the hands of a community of tinkerers. [0] https://www.pine64.org/philosophy/

Well, as both an end-user and tinkerer, I'd rather not have to own two devices when I can go out and get one that will cover all my bases.

Sounds like Purism Librem5 is more for you then?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by ehsankia »

kbelder wrote: post #9
blakesterz wrote: post #2

I had to go look to see what this was: "DroidScript is an easy to use, portable coding tool which simplifies mobile App development. It dramatically improves productivity by speeding up development by as much as 10x compared with using the standard development tools. It’s also an ideal tool for learning JavaScript, you can literally code anywhere with DroidScript, it’s not cloud based and doesn’t require an internet…

This is my primary hacking tool for throwing little scripts together on Android. You can bring up an IDE in chrome on your PC and interactively execute it on your phone. I hope this gets fixed. I wouldn't really be surprised if EVERY scripting/programming app in the play store technically violates some play store rules, though.

> I hope this gets fixed.

Define "fixed", it was removed from Play Store but anyone can still install from APK or F-Droid, right?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by rjmunro »

Could Droidscript's remote IDE features have a security hole that is allowing people to remote install malware into Droidscript users?

Google would see this malware coming from Droidscript; Droidscript would not see anything in their code that could be causing it.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by throwaway_4747 »

ticviking wrote: post #206
MayeulC wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right to purchase. It's become an issue of defining "purchasing". But companies don't want us to purchase appliances, they would be much happier if we could rent them.

And I would. At much much much lower prices

Soon you will own nothing and be happy! According to the great reset and the WEF.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by lurkerasdfh8 »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #179
glsdfgkjsklfj wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arbitrary code isn't banned on iOS It is. Even mozilla firefox is banned on the premise that it can run arbitrary code and yes, that is the official apple instance. The fact that they apply it when they see fit and allow other times, and that it is totally arbitrary and opaque based on their own private interests , is exactly what everyone with common sense tried to explain when criticizing the walled garden.

My understanding is that what's banned on iOS is not arbitrary code per se, it's arbitrary code downloaded from the internet. Code you enter yourself, like in Pythonista, is just fine.

Really? you are you going to defend that point as not arbitrary?

If you want to split hair, where would you draw the line? Should pythonista go out of the way to prevent copy paste from the browser/email?

Or should apple, being non-arbitrary, also blocks adobe PDF reader since it can open PDFs from the web with javascript just like a browser would do?

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