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Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by glsdfgkjsklfj »

FredFS456 wrote: post #105
pdkl95 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "Can't you just make us a general-purpose computer that runs all the programs, except the ones that scare and anger us? Can't you just make us an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?"[1] The War On General Purpose Computing continues. Far too many business models depend on selling general purpose computers as "appliances". They presume it is possible to…

There's nothing wrong with the appliance business model - embedded devices that use microcontrollers are Turing complete and yet no one complains about those. It's only when devices are marketed as general-purpose (i.e. smartphones, PCs) but are locked down to prevent running arbitrary user-loaded code that it becomes a problem.

> no one complains about those

YOU do not complain about those.

I complain about my TV showing me ads. I complain about my car not resetting one annoying light when i change the oil. I complain about the proprietary connectors on my generic batteries that restrict me to one brand of power tools (that get's discontinued for new proprietary connectors every 2 years).

It's fine if you love exploitation capitalism. But don't go assuming crap about others.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by x86ARMsRace »

goda90 wrote: post #53
x86ARMsRace wrote: post #42

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> Small numbers (1-3) of stuck or dead pixels are a characteristic of LCD screens. These are normal and should not be considered a defect. Their product line does not really inspire much faith. I can't say I've bought a device in the past 10 years which has dead pixels on the display. To me, this is a defect, given that I can pick up a device, overwrite Windows with Linux, and have a device without dead pixels.

Check out their philosophy[0]. They aren't exactly a company targeting end user consumers. They want to put affordable hardware in the hands of a community of tinkerers. [0] https://www.pine64.org/philosophy/

Well, as both an end-user and tinkerer, I'd rather not have to own two devices when I can go out and get one that will cover all my bases.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by hilbert42 »

What else can you expect from a monopoly that knows its above the law—as there isn't any that's either applicable or enforceable?

Thus, being above the law Google has no need to concern itself with bothersome matters such as fairness, justice and one being considered innocent before the Law until proven otherwise by due process.

Do we really have to go demonstrate on the streets before our legislators will act to stop this out-of-control monster?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by dcow »

Aperocky wrote: post #33
eplanit wrote: post #25

It's seriously time to re-embrace the idea of ownership and control of our devices, and reject Android and iOS altogether. Developing for those platforms has become worse and more restrictive over the years, and this kind of crap is now just everyday news. How good are Pinephones[1]? Are there better alternatives? [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

Maybe it's just time to see phones as what they are - a phone. I don't really care what software is ran in my truck, as long as it works (And that's why I'll not buy a Tesla). It's a phone, use it to call text and guide and browse some internet. That's it.

What’s wrong with Tesla software?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by overgard »

ajross wrote: post #14
blakesterz wrote: post #2

I had to go look to see what this was: "DroidScript is an easy to use, portable coding tool which simplifies mobile App development. It dramatically improves productivity by speeding up development by as much as 10x compared with using the standard development tools. It’s also an ideal tool for learning JavaScript, you can literally code anywhere with DroidScript, it’s not cloud based and doesn’t require an internet…

Time for one of these again. So... having read through their marketing material, this is an on-device tool that opens up what appears to be most of the Android application API to at least the user of the device, and potentially to any Droidscript applications they grab from other sources, and... maybe to other apps on the device? It's not clear from a quick read how extensive the runtime control is. So just right out…

We're talking about a development tool. Of course it's going to make any use of the device possible -- that's the entire point. If the point here is that any development tool shouldn't be allowed in the store (which I think google and apple are mostly fine with), that's a pretty sad thing in my opinion. Maybe google is "right" in enforcing their policies, but is it helping anyone?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by lupire »

eptcyka wrote: post #64
ajross wrote: post #14

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Time for one of these again. So... having read through their marketing material, this is an on-device tool that opens up what appears to be most of the Android application API to at least the user of the device, and potentially to any Droidscript applications they grab from other sources, and... maybe to other apps on the device? It's not clear from a quick read how extensive the runtime control is. So just right out…

Chrome is closed source and has developer tools, and has damn near every permission Android provides. You can app your apps on it, as long as they are of the web variety. Should we not ban chrome too? If droidscript enables ad fraud, isn't it an issue with how the android sandboxing model is fundamentally broken? Given that there are far more people using phones than computers, and a lot of new smartphone users will…

Chrome polices websites with per-site permissions, controlled by the user. Does DroidScript give users the same level over control over 3rd party code?

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by loa_in_ »

narwally wrote: post #17
kbelder wrote: post #9

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This is my primary hacking tool for throwing little scripts together on Android. You can bring up an IDE in chrome on your PC and interactively execute it on your phone. I hope this gets fixed. I wouldn't really be surprised if EVERY scripting/programming app in the play store technically violates some play store rules, though.

Well damn, now I want to download it. I've never gotten into mobile development because getting started always seemed like a chore, but this sounds like it would be fun to play around with.

Whatever you choose, moving to mobile development is extremely fun once set up. Usually IDE if your choice reloads the app on the phone over the cable for you, so the feedback loop is really nice.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by glsdfgkjsklfj »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #125
nromiun wrote: post #26

> We don't allow apps with any code that could put a user, a user’s data, or a device at risk. If Google thinks the ability to execute arbitrary code puts users' data at risk why don't they go the full iOS route and ban everything, from scripting apps to other JS engines beside Chromium? I am so sick of their behaviour, the only reason I am still on Android because things like F-Droid still exists and iOS is even mor…

Arbitrary code isn't banned on iOS, there isn't anything (yet) that can create fully fledged apps like Droidscript, but a few cool apps are: - iSH: an Alpine Linux shell environment, powered by an x86 to ARM JIT emulator - Scriptable: an iOS automation tool using Javascript, it can even integrate with native iOS APIs like photos and calendars, create native UIs, etc. - Pythonista: a Python IDE, you can create 2D game…

> Arbitrary code isn't banned on iOS

It is.

Even mozilla firefox is banned on the premise that it can run arbitrary code and yes, that is the official apple instance.

The fact that they apply it when they see fit and allow other times, and that it is totally arbitrary and opaque based on their own private interests, is exactly what everyone with common sense tried to explain when criticizing the walled garden.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by warent »

On one side I'm being bombarded with news about Google's anticompetitive greedy practices and disregard for customers. On the other side I'm being bombarded with news about Apple's anticompetitive greedy practices and disregard for customers.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Which to choose? About ready to just burn all of my electronics and live in a damn cabin.

Re: Google have declared Droidscript is malware

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Post by higerordermap »

pjmlp wrote: post #131
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #56

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Given the issues that termux has hit, they're certainly moving that way. https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An...

Only because Termux developers refuse to use Java APIs and don't accept Android isn't a POSIX clone.

Chill dude. How do I run gcc in java beanshell?
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