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Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by ModernMech »

koheripbal wrote: post #230
viraptor wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a short from Legal Eagle about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9IRZ9FzWEA There's also a difference between state and federal charges - even if they've been pardoned, they can still be charged for related crimes.

One thing to note - they cannot be charged with the SAME exact crime in state court (that would run afoul of double-jeopardy). As you said, though it's not clear, it need to be a different (though potentially related) crime.

This is not true -- double jeopardy applies to the same jurisdiction. You can certainly be charged in state and federal court for the same crime.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by koheripbal »

wahern wrote: post #47
salawat wrote: post #38

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...is a Presidential pardon final come the next Administration? Or has that not really been tested in court?

A pardon requires delivery and acceptance. (Actually, I think delivery is incomplete without acceptance.) Theoretically an incoming president could recall the pardon if it hasn't been delivered. Not sure what may constitute as delivery; or acceptance, for that matter. I don't think the manner of delivery or acceptance has been tested, let alone enumerated. If it's as simple as a phone call, then presumably nothing co…

This is not mentioned anywhere in the text of the pardon power of the Constitution.

What gives you the impression pardons are limited to those that are "delivered" and/or "accepted". How would that even be legally demonstrated to a court.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by tomp »

coldtea wrote: post #134
spacemanmatt wrote: post #87

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The white supremacy sign is a white power sign because white supremacists use it to signal each other. It is called a "dog whistle" because people like you cannot hear it accurately.

"Dog whistle" is a term bat-shit-crazy people and opportunists use to mark whoever they like on anything they can drum up. "You think what he said was inoffensive? That's because it's a dog whistle!". It's not that some dog whistles don't exist (e.g. upon secret societies, etc). It's that it's used as a weapon with the flimsiest of excuses. It's the 2020 version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" question.

Exactly. The only reasonable use of the word “dog-whistle” is ”’dog-whistle’ is a dog-whistle used to signal support of political correctness and belonging to the left-wing elite and/or an unwillingness to engage in rational argument”.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by koheripbal »

marmaduke wrote: post #107
wahern wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A pardon requires delivery and acceptance. (Actually, I think delivery is incomplete without acceptance.) Theoretically an incoming president could recall the pardon if it hasn't been delivered. Not sure what may constitute as delivery; or acceptance, for that matter. I don't think the manner of delivery or acceptance has been tested, let alone enumerated. If it's as simple as a phone call, then presumably nothing co…

There was an even more interesting question raised on r/NeutralPolitics about whether the pardon has to even be made public. It seems there's an interpretation of the law where the pardon only becomes public when the recipient makes use of it in a public court.

Why would it need to be public? The Constitution does not stipulate that limitation.

This is literally all it says...

> he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by koheripbal »

hypervisorxxx wrote: post #94
contemporary343 wrote: post #10

This is all so hilariously corrupt. I'm not sure I can even muster anger for this, just laughter. (I'll reserve the anger for the pandemic and this administration's callous, frankly criminal handling of it). (So Levandowski and Jared are going to launch a venture fund soon, right?)

The most interesting pardons are the no name ones. Pardoned restaurant chain fraud for an italian not even charged in NY. Sounds like mafia related crime to me. The other no name money laundering criminals are all related to either his gambling businesses or his place of living in Florida. He's basically pardoning people he's been doing crimes with for a long time and then if course some big names. I'm happy to see s…

Many pardons are recommended to the President by the Justice department for various reasons. A lot are for non-violent drug crimes that someone in the department felt was too harsh/etc...

It's not like they are all Trump's friends. But obviously conspiracy theories will prevail, sadly.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by flippinburgers »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #87
kenneth wrote: post #80

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The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

The white supremacy sign is a white power sign because white supremacists use it to signal each other. It is called a "dog whistle" because people like you cannot hear it accurately.

Supposed dog whistles and the extreme desire to immediately label people based on innocuous gestures/words is the new norm within certain parts of the puritanical left. I never thought I would see the day. It is shocking that what was once the bastion of liberal thought and open-mindedness has become this hyper-judgemental, crucify-all-that-don't-bow-to-our-will movement.

Gems of the left:

Do you want to be on the wrong side of history? Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences! Acknowledge your privilege!

And other deeply manipulative threats/concepts.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by secondcoming »

zimpenfish wrote: post #206
secondcoming wrote: post #183

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Intersting, thanks. Is this not just a coincidence of scheduling though? Or do courts normally schedule executions for presidential transition periods?

I believe the US Government (as opposed to states) hadn't executed anyone for something like 12 years (covering 3 transition periods) and then in about 3 months, executed 13. It's definitely not scheduling.

Right ok, But what I'm trying to find out is if these execution dates were set when the people were found guilty, or if someone just decided the execution dates recently.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by koheripbal »

koolba wrote: post #173
reducesuffering wrote: post #22

So when we do get rid of presidential pardons? We've seen "an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president." ~Mitt Romney And we've seen pardons put up for sale.[0] Is the US a nation of laws and due process or a Banana Republic where anyone can be acquitted of anything? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons...

Pardons by the executive branch are a weapon of peace. It exists to allow the chief executive, whether the President or a Governor of a State, to settle any matter in their jurisdiction. At the Presidential level, the power is absolute because the founders believed in the executive branch being centralized in a single individual, the President. Outside of Senate confirmation, there isn't much that limits the powers o…

Exactly - it's notable that the power of pardon is the tail end of the clause that give the president power over the military - that's not random phrasing.

> The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-2...

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by cascom »

hypervisorxxx wrote: post #94
contemporary343 wrote: post #10

This is all so hilariously corrupt. I'm not sure I can even muster anger for this, just laughter. (I'll reserve the anger for the pandemic and this administration's callous, frankly criminal handling of it). (So Levandowski and Jared are going to launch a venture fund soon, right?)

The most interesting pardons are the no name ones. Pardoned restaurant chain fraud for an italian not even charged in NY. Sounds like mafia related crime to me. The other no name money laundering criminals are all related to either his gambling businesses or his place of living in Florida. He's basically pardoning people he's been doing crimes with for a long time and then if course some big names. I'm happy to see s…

Its interesting to me that gun crimes don’t meet your threshold of offenses that should potentially carry a prison term

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by lotsofpulp »

hairofadog wrote: post #199
pygy_ wrote: post #146

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When you read "inflammable", you can often, from the context, determine whether it means flammable or not. Sometimes you can't. The same applies to the OK sign. Flashing it surrounded by notorious racists after the 4chan hoax leaves no doubt about the intended meaning. Also, given that's it's now been coopted by nazis, you may want to be careful when flashing it if you want to avoid embarrassing ambiguities, yes. It…

I’m not disagreeing with your larger point, but FYI “inflammable” always means “easily catches fire” and never anything else.

I never thought I’d see the Simpsons Dr Nick joke in real life.
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