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Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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Why would Amazon want to prevent workers from unionizing? Look what it did for teaching, policing, mail delivery, port security, taxi driving, waste management, public service, and construction.

Actually your example of police unions is a good one. What do they excel at? Protecting bad cops.

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

#233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think worker-owned cooperatives do make a ton of sense and bridge the interest gap between employers and employees. When the interests of the unions align with the interest of society at large in that we want to promote productivity, it fixes a lot of things.

Agreed. Germany has kept so many factories (it would seem) because labor doesn’t want to offshore their own jobs, even if management is indifferent.

I think you might be interested in what Richard Wolff has to say.

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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It seems perfectly fine and honest from them. Did anyone expect any different? I'm not saying it's bad, just that's the reality of the job.

It seems perfectly fine and honest to post a job listing and then take it down hours later due to backlash, claim it was a mistake, and refuse to answer follow-up questions on it? What part of that sounds honest to you?

they honestly posted a job, they honestly got backlash, they honestly decided it was a mistake, they honestly refused to answer follow-up questions. What part of that is not honest?

Honestly, I think you simply don't like that they don't agree with you 100% and act as you would have them act, and you should honestly admit that, and honesty would require that you stop accusing them of being other than honest on the basis of what you outlined.

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

#235
This is just proof that not everyone is following the same narrative that you’re personally following or understands reality the same way you do.

It’s beyond me how that job post would make sense to anyone besides someone who is disconnected from the usual contending rhetorics Amazon is involved in.

Nobody raised a flag on how that would look like for them? You gotta be pretty oblivious to read that and say “yeah that looks good to me”.

I’m not even discrediting the value or purpose of that particular position since I have zero context besides the ad but I don’t understand how can you sprinkle those terms and reference those specific groups without reflecting deeply how it could be perceived.

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

#236

It seems perfectly fine and honest from them. Did anyone expect any different? I'm not saying it's bad, just that's the reality of the job.

It seems perfectly fine and honest to post a job listing and then take it down hours later due to backlash, claim it was a mistake, and refuse to answer follow-up questions on it? What part of that sounds honest to you?

This is their business. This is how they want to run it. We can either boycott them or not. I have worked most of my life in mega big corporations, and I cannot say "oh I didn't know that bankA did this and bankB did that". I am either stupid, complicit or indifferent.

Amazon will look after Amazon's interests (aka the shareholders). The little people have rights defined by laws. As long as they are not breached, Amazon (and every Amazon out there) will match on.

To avoid any misunderstanding, I do not condone the majority of Amazon's practices and thus I don't buy from them (or at least they are low in my list of preferred options). But since we got capitalism, and since the US is the HQ of capitalism.. then why is anyone surprised? Facebook will spy. Amazon will squeeze every cent they can, and so on..

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's maybe a bit more subtle. In our industry there's what I call the "California Ideology" (after the classic essay: https://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/californian-ideo... which is a bit dated but still stands the test of time) At one point this perspective was fairly counter cultural -- computing technology fused with Alvin Toffleresque third wavism, a tinge of libertarianism but without a suit and…

> and while we're "changing the world" it's really not in any egalitarian or progressive way There is a good argument to be made that increasing the GDP is a moral imperative [0]. I know it's increasingly trendy to think all of capitalism is evil and we should tear the whole global economic system down (and to tweet about it from your iPhone while sitting in your air conditioned home, eating your meal delivered by Do…

I don't fully agree with your point, but I've upvoted you anyways, because this is an entirely reasonable response argument to the points I made and that's how HN is supposed to work.

But please note I didn't say anything like "the average person working in tech contributes nothing positive to society." That's pretty ad hominem, and I don't think that, otherwise I wouldn't work in this industry.

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