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Whenever unions are mentioned on HN there always seems to be a coordinated effort to attack them in the comments, very interesting.

A couple possibilities:

1. There is a conspiracy to bad mouth unions to protect the capitalist class.

2. Unions have problems and people are expressing their opinions about those problems

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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It seems perfectly fine and honest from them. Did anyone expect any different? I'm not saying it's bad, just that's the reality of the job.

It seems perfectly fine and honest to post a job listing and then take it down hours later due to backlash, claim it was a mistake, and refuse to answer follow-up questions on it? What part of that sounds honest to you?

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm impressed by how low-quality this anti-union astroturf bot is. If you have sentience, how much did someone pay for you on Fiverr?

HN is not the best platform to from anti-capitalism sentiments. There's a lot of privilege here and it makes people pretty blind to how awful capitalism is (and the things it creates, like anti-union sentiment).

Unions aren't anti-capitalist, they explicitly work within a capitalist framework to ensure better pay and working conditions for their workers.

Unions deal in money and don't seek to change that, unions recognize and don't challenge ownership of the business.

What about them makes them anti-capitalist, except that they seek to shift the balance of "who, of all the people working on a business, gets paid what for the operation of a business"?

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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I very much doubt they no longer intend to hire somebody for such activities, this was just way too much in the open.

https://pinkerton.com/

They still operate. Among the things they do: secret shoppers at sports stadiums to confirm that the vendors selling alcohol are carding.

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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post #221
post #78

Whenever unions are mentioned on HN there always seems to be a coordinated effort to attack them in the comments, very interesting.

A couple possibilities: 1. There is a conspiracy to bad mouth unions to protect the capitalist class. 2. Unions have problems and people are expressing their opinions about those problems

with just how little power unions have in America, I'd wager it's more likely the former. especially in tech spaces

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't this just be because unions can have a deteriorating effect on meritocracy? Say you have 10 workers - 2 are rock stars and make $50/hr, 6 are average and make $20/hr, and 2 are bad and make $10/hr (min wage - because they are never promoted). Average "non-union" pay is: $24/hr Now say you unionize and the union forces you to start paying the bad employees $20/hr like all the other average ones. So now you pa…

This is a pointless thought experiment that has practically no basis in reality.

I disagree. Unions tend to favor seniority-based promotion over merit-based promotion[0] for obvious reasons (unions can't tell how much merit an employee has without deferring judgment to company managers/execs, but unions can tell how long someone has been working without deferring judgment to anyone).

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/2523767

Re: Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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Disgraceful. But will anything be done, judicially, legally? Not a chance. Tells you all you need to know.

I'm pretty sure it isn't illegal to seek out an employee with strike-busting knowledge.

It is, however, illegal to engage in, or create the impression of engaging in, surveillance of union activities.
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