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Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Who's really in power? They're the ones you can't offend. Or else.

This sounds like a play on the old Voltaire quote, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

A common joke response is "wow, we'd better rise up against kids with leukemia."

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> There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. Democracy and freedom of thought. Despite your experience of Foreign Chinese Students being confused rather than liberated by the West...in my experience I’ve never met a Foreign Chinese Student that didn’t want to permanently relocate to Canada or the US.

For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

A bit Survivor bias? Recent six years about half of my friends went back. I’m biased as well since many of them got green card and/or coming from Tier-1 city

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yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it" Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the…

> Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Let's ask the Chinese citizens in Hong Kong how they feel about the stability and prosperity of their regime, shall we?

You say this like it's supposed to be some kind of clever gotcha. Yes, the discontent there is real. But even if 100% of HKers are dissatisfied with the regime (which is not the case), they are a tiny fraction of the total population. Overall, I stand by my statement.

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The healthcare thing doesn't jive with what I've heard from my native Chinese friends; I've heard if you have the right connections (and by association, wealth) you can get exactly what you need, but without that you can't get anything.

I can’t speak to healthcare generally but one of my college roommates was from China and she just could not wrap her head around the politicization of birth control in the US. I remember her asking us if Americans thought it was dangerous or addictive because she couldn’t understand why it was so controversial that the affordable care act required birth control to be covered.

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Teling the truth and getting downvoted. I'm Chinese too. Wanna connect (email in my profile)?

Too much risks in US to do so right now in this climate. I just want to pay my taxes and remain a good keyboard man with slightly different opinions. See Chineses self censored.

whenever I see misinformation my blood boils. I thought moving out of China would help my anger management. But alas here we are. I have been wondering instead of wasting time telling HN or any community what China is like, maybe there's something I can do to help China become a better place where I wanna live in future, no matter how small I can contribute. Many westerners (government bodies excluded) are good intended, but the solution they got mostly will only get things worse.

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yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it" Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the…

> preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime That's a bit of an unwarranted assumption. Even hinting that you have a different preference or questioning the reports of stability and prosperity (even privately among friends on WeChat, which is monitored and censored) can get you invited for a nice cup of tea with the local police.

Reports? They literally are experiencing stability and prosperity. People went from rural villages without electricity to towering megacities in a generation. Honestly I find it rather insulting that you'd rather believe they're all hiding their true preferences than try to see their perspective.

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For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

A bit Survivor bias? Recent six years about half of my friends went back. I’m biased as well since many of them got green card and/or coming from Tier-1 city

As I admitted, it's purely anecdotal - I'm not denying that there are a lot of Chinese who do in fact return.

But net migration is still negative, meaning there's more people leaving China than returning.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/net-migratio....

I'm not sure how that figure is calculated, but I also wonder if it under-represents "pseudo-migrants" who claim to be living/holidaying temporarily in (say) Australia, but who seem to stay indefinitely.

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Fear of being taken to a dark hole somewhere for making fun of the ruling junta, especially the top boss AKA the President/Chairman. /s

Pretty sure that fear is very much alive in Portland right now

Pretty sure that's an outrageous exercise in false equivalence. What's happening in Portland isn't right, but it is an aberration, and it will be stopped. Nobody has "disappeared."

What is the mechanism for redressing grievances like this in China, exactly?

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> The NBA has a bigger fanbase in China than in the USA. Só what? Why should that dictate what letters I can or cannot put o the custom jersey I buy myself and pay with my own money?

Because the CCP is a totalitarian government whose dictator banned Winnie the Pooh [1] after he was offended by a couple of memes. If people started wearing “freehongkong” jerseys it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that the NBA gets banned in China. Clearly the NBA does not want this. Critics are right to hold the NBA’s feet to the fire for this kowtowing behaviour. A lot of people are unaware of the degr…

Winnie the Pooh is not banned, despite what that article says.

You can easily buy Winne the Pooh toys, books, and entertainment in China. There’s even a huge Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disney.

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Economics can explain so much. There is a huge cost to the NBA if they stand with Hong Kong. There is also a very small cost to the NBA and or more probably no cost at all if they fully embrace other movements such as BLM. People upset about this are upset because the NBA (and other sports leagues and media) have become more socially active or political lately but they still refuse to speak up on topics that hurt the…

It's almost like "Woke Capitalism" is just a brand being sold by Capitalists...
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