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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by discordance »

readams wrote: post #143
syshum wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See you have a healthy respect for the idea of free expression, as do I Unfortunately we are in the minority, the majority wants SOMEONE ELSE to choose what they can see, what is the "good speech" and what is the "bad speech" They want someone else to tell them what the "good things" are they should be supporting, and what the "bad things" are that they need to oppose In short, people no longer want to think critical…

We simultaneously hate and fear Mark Zuckerberg and we want him to be the ultimate censor on everything we see and read. Somehow, we've decided that we want to demand that he take even more power.

I don’t use his surveillance platforms and I don’t fear him

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by QuercusMax »

discordance wrote: post #199
masukomi wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he's a "Software Engineer" at facebook. He's not even a "Senior Software Engineer" He is NOT making 250k and he likely lives _near_ facebook which means _most_ of his money is going directly into housing. There are a LOT of people working what is normally considered a high income job in the bay area and living out of their vans because that's the only way they can actually have any money left over at the end of the m…

Levels.fyi disagrees with you

Maybe not 250K salary, but with bonuses and equity, absolutely you can get there.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by newacct583 »

code4tee wrote: post #208

Zuckerberg has always made it clear to investors and employees that Facebook is not a democracy. Mark is in charge and has full control of the company to do as he pleases when he pleases. When they IPOed he made it clear that’s how the company works. IPO materials made it clear that if you don’t like that don’t invest in it. Not saying I agree with his actions (or inactions) and decisions but he’s been very clear abo…

That's somsething of a sideways argument though. I mean, it's speciously true of any organization that isn't actually a democracy. Google isn't a democracy. Apple isn't a democracy.

But most corporate environments act at least a little like democracies anyway. And that's not by choice, it's a darwinian thing. Companies that can't motivate their employees to work towards shared goals don't tend to succeed. And so on some level you absolutely do have to do what your employees want to do.

And if you don't, they quit and work somewhere else. Which is literally what the linked article is about. That thing up there in the headline? That's democracy in action. At Facebook.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by romanows »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #133
kristiandupont wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For society to function, people need to be willing to work with others whose politics they find distasteful. Why? I am not on some high horse here, I am not sure what I would be willing to put up with if I had no other options but I certainly prefer working with companies that have values that are aligned with my own.

Because otherwise it becomes impossible to truly engage in politics. If everyone sorts themselves into liberal companies that only allow liberal values and conservative companies that only allow conservative values, how are we supposed to have an honest debate on anything?

How about sorting by companies that support honest debate versus those that don't? From the post, "Facebook will keep moving the goalposts..."

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by acwan93 »

natex wrote: post #28
pluc wrote: post #7

If you resign from Facebook and don't tell anyone, have you really resigned?

I feel like your question is snark designed to criticise the vocal/dramatic way the FB employee has resigned. I hope I'm wrong. Personally, I'm grateful for their post. I think it is designed to bring awareness to the problem and to pressure FB to do the right thing.

I've seen this one person's resignation on nearly every site I follow this past week. My hope is that this is the start of a substantial shift in the company with more employees walking out (I don't believe senior management there will do anything on their own), otherwise it's just what the parent commenter's implying: a lot of noise.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by volkk »

panzagl wrote: post #169
nightski wrote: post #126

I respect his decision. But I for one do not want our president, no matter who she or he is to be censored. I want to know exactly what they are saying and when. That includes any government official for that matter because it directly affects my voting decisions and actions.

Corporations using their power to silence an elected government official is pretty much the corporate-fascist dystopia I thought we were all against.

it's a tough problem to solve or reason about. i personally don't have any answers around this, but do you allow hate to spread and then be reactive about it and deal with the consequences? or do you nip it at the bud proactively allowing for potentially something that you wrote? some sort of censorship. how do you deal with it?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by aeyes »

If you like it or not, free speech works in two directions. A private company censoring the president is not the right approach.

It's our job as a society to not blindly follow what is being said by politicians and more importantly, to take action with our vote.

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