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Well, I would think that would be met with a you-can-fuck-right-off by most people.
I really doubt that. Hell, vast numbers of people have been doing it voluntarily already with loyalty cards.
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BLE works between IOS and Android, why wouldn’t it? It’s a standard 2.4Ghz radio protocol. The thing created here is a standard BLE characteristic that says I’M PERSON X and your phone is always looking for PEOPLE and recording when it sees them... then uploading that to Google and Apple. You can decide for yourself if a contact recording system could ever be abused.
Sorry for that but sharing files in between iOS or Android wasn’t possible, that is my point
https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu... > Upon a positive test of a user for COVID-19, their Diagnosis Keys and associated DayNumbers are uploaded to the Diagnosis Server. A Diagnosis Server is a server that aggregates the Diagnosis Keys from the users who tested positive and distributes them to all the user clients who are using contact tracing. Is this scalable? Earlier in the document they…
Is your calculation correct? You only need to download the Diagnosis Keys. How would that be 48MB?
Promising opt-in is a bit disingenuous. These tech giants are creating a technological capability. Whether or not it is opt-in, opt-out or mandatory is then decided by governments, now and in the future. This is of course nothing new. But it's worth noting considering how high the tolerance for extremely intrusive government action currently is and how extremely weak any resistance is bound to be. I'm not saying I'm…
You could also view it as high demand for government functionality, with an accompanying commandeering of the governmental power by the public, which has leverage of its own. Consider, for example, that 1/3 of the country is on a rent strike right now, a proportion which will likely grow. That part of the polity is learning to flex its political muscle for the first time in a while, because the economic and political establishment suddenly finds itself at a severe disadvantage.
Of course, the government commands asymmetrical strength through police and (less directly) military force, but that's only effective insofar as disparate groups rarely have broad common interests that transcend regional, economic, or social boundaries. Since the internet provides many of the tools to facilitate collective action and COVID-19 has provided a sufficiently broad incentive, political incumbents are discovering that their powers are only as extensive as the willingness of people to cooperate and that they do in fact require the consent of the governed.
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There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, I just think your objections are out of place. If you are really concerned then it's probably best not to use Android or iOS at all, who knows what data might be shared with the government without your knowing? This spec (or any app built on top of this spec) doesn't really change anything about that. Edit: I wasn't downvoting you, and the link was the source for the summa…
I disagree. You base your opinion on nothing more than a couple of icons. Having now read it, I cannot in good faith even call it specs. It is a step above infomercial. Hardly something trustworthy.
1. Bluetooth: https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
2. Cryptography: https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
3. Framework: https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
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Do you really think that this feature has drawn a line in the sand where previously they couldn't track you and now they can?
No, it was already terrible before. But it was labelled as terrible. I was for the secret service. Now it's going to be culturally accepted, and in the hand regular administrators. This is on order or magnitude worse, for something that was awful.
There are no good choices in a pandemic.
All those actions look unprofessional and chaotic, why not use cellphone data, surveillance needs to use their power, to track down cases and contacts. They doing that anyway, why not leverage that. Call it emergency whatever.
Contact tracing has a time and place, and it's early in isolated outbreaks. The cat is out of the bag at this point and thinking we're going to contact trace our way to safety is a false promise. You'd have to be naive and short-sighted to accept their pinky-promise of privacy-first in this context.
It’s quite obvious that more intrusive measures (lockdowns) are needed now, but what do you do once they’ve Had their effect? You can’t just abolish all measures, as you’d be back to square one. That’s where this comes in handy.
> You'd have to be naive and short-sighted to accept their pinky-promise of privacy-first in this context.
Or, more constructively, you could examine the spec and see whether it’s privacy preserving as promised, and ensure that the deployed software confirms to the spec. How about that?
- Advertisements change every 15 minutes, are not trackable unless keys are shared.
- The only central bit is a repository of "infected" daily keys.
- No knowledge about contacts is shared with a central authority.
Nothing is shared unless you are infected and decide to share your keys, which are only valid for one day. I don't see how you could have a real argument against this unless you are a privacy extremist. It also seems more privacy friendly than the Singapore or German apps.