An update on YC China • Hacker News Board

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tomnipotent » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:53 AM UTC

peteretep wrote: post #188

tomnipotent wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mc·Car·thy·ism: "A campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations." No, he's not deeply misinformed. Perfect example is the ridiculous spying bullshit that SuperMicro was accused of earlier this year.

You appear to have copy-pasted this definition from a blog article, and then added bullet points between the syllables to make it look more official. Yikes! A real dictionary will show you that McCarthy-esque allegations are specifically treasonous.

> You appear to have copy-pasted

Wikipedia pretty much defines it the same way: "McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence."

> specifically treasonous

Treason is one small dimension, use as a rhetorical device to make the real villain stand out - accusations without evidence.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by frozenport » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:55 AM UTC

archibaldJ wrote: post #227

OP here (no affiliation with YC in anyway), posted the link because was surprised it wasn't already on HN. I first got to know about it on WeChat actually. There was an announcement from the official WeChat account of YC China in regard to the split-up (link: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/SnSsli_ZGo0yI58YD-ddaw ), though the announcement took a much more positive and exciting tone than its English counterpart. The annou…

So what exactly is the Chinese Way other than something Westerners can't grasp?

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by AYBABTME » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:57 AM UTC

arcticfox wrote: post #220

AYBABTME wrote: post #217

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Maybe GP actually referred to business cultural practices, which are indeed different in China. Have you considered this? Not everything related to China is black/white as you seem to portray it. There's more to it than a reductionist approach of thinking "they're mean communists and everything follows from that". * I dislike the tendency of some people to prohibits others from looking at things in a nuanced manner.

Cultural differences might make business in China difficult for internationals; political differences are what make it both ethically and strategically untenable. There's no comparison.

I didn't say otherwise. But not everyone's reason for leaving the market is going to be because of evil governance. Always simplifying interactions with China and the people and businesses there to a black/white scenario is counterproductive and intellectually disingenuous.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tomc1985 » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:58 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #208

tomc1985 wrote: post #191

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Fighting the good fight to maintain your social credit score, eh?

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Re: An update on YC China

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Post by northfoxz » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 3:59 AM UTC

My observation is that Qi used the YC brand to help launch his MiraclePlus. After that they part ways. The first batch of startups are very different from regular YC companies.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/KdfV4hF4qz8Ti1XL0i_S3A

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by learc83 » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:00 AM UTC

886 wrote: post #178

AnthonyWnC wrote: post #138

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NYT is not exactly a reliable source of news in China, actually none of US MSM are.

I know my comment will be downvoted for sure because it isn't a popular idea, but I'm still gonna comment on this. Reading news about any foreign country, including China, only from US MSM, is inherently biased (sampling bias). Maybe consider reading news from Chinese outlets in this case? I know people will start arguing that Chinese outlets are mainly propagandas because they are controlled by governments and they…

Basically the entire world except for China including independent non profits is reporting on the internment camps. At this point you have to be actively trying to excuse them to believe they are fictional.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by unityByFreedom » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:02 AM UTC

jessewmc wrote: post #11

Strange optics not to mention the elephant in the room. I could see them hitting some roadblocks and wanting to try again to get into China, but that would be a reasonable thing to come out and say. It also would be reasonable to come out and say they've changed their minds due to political climate or some other risks. Instead its... the new guy is busy?

> Instead its... the new guy is busy?

Where do you see this statement? I see, "change in leadership" and "now is not the right time".

I translate that to, new leadership (and likely those who put him there) think now is not the right time. That could be for any reason internal or external.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by ipsa » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:10 AM UTC

Mizza wrote: post #42

Launching in China was a stupid, shamelessly greedy and ultimately embarrassing decision to begin with, but it's good that they've changed course. To those who have been living under a rock for the past thirty years: The PRC is a genocidal, expansionist ethnostate that tortures and kills those it deems enemies, which is everybody who isn't ethnically Han and supportive of the leader of the Communist Party. YC knew th…

> how elite state-owned venture capital will work

Perhaps something like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

https://www.darpa.mil/work-with-us/commitment-to-small-busin...

https://arsenalgrowth.com/

https://www.welcomeurope.com/european-subsidies-sector-Innov...

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by spectramax » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:15 AM UTC

archibaldJ wrote: post #227

OP here (no affiliation with YC in anyway), posted the link because was surprised it wasn't already on HN. I first got to know about it on WeChat actually. There was an announcement from the official WeChat account of YC China in regard to the split-up (link: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/SnSsli_ZGo0yI58YD-ddaw ), though the announcement took a much more positive and exciting tone than its English counterpart. The annou…

> The Chinese government is one thing. But "the Chinese way" is another thing. And "the Chinese way" actually underlines how the Chinese society works and how the Chinese government functions.

"The Chinese Way" is a cop out, it points out the cultural differences between the West and China, but that does not change the fundamentals of political ideologies. Fascist and authoritarian regimes, all, justify their actions through the proxy of cultural differences.

It is not right to shut down discussion about political climates by reducing it to a non-negotiable argument, i.e. the other party does not understand "The Chinese Way" or they will never know the history of China. There are plenty of non-Chinese historians arounds the world who have studied China deeply, academically and by experience such as expats including myself who have spent significant time in China. We know "The Chinese Way".

> The Chinese government is one thing.

No, that's the elephant in the room here, don't be so quick to dismiss it. Ask yourself this - "Would I feel threatened to criticize the Chinese government publicly while I am in China?" If the answer is yes, you either A) Took allegiance to the Chinese nationalism B) or afraid to speak out. If it is B, then it is time to move out of China before it is too late.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by unityByFreedom » Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 4:16 AM UTC

archibaldJ wrote: post #227

OP here (no affiliation with YC in anyway), posted the link because was surprised it wasn't already on HN. I first got to know about it on WeChat actually. There was an announcement from the official WeChat account of YC China in regard to the split-up (link: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/SnSsli_ZGo0yI58YD-ddaw ), though the announcement took a much more positive and exciting tone than its English counterpart. The annou…

> Anyway I'm fascinated by all the comments here, none of which discussed the cultural and sociopolitical differences between that of the west and that of China

To be fair, you don't describe any particular difference yourself in the following paragraph. You say these cultural differences can't be defined and simultaneously expect us to discuss them.¿

The fact is, there are plenty of businesses who have successfully navigated the cultural and political waters of China-Western relations. Maybe it's not the right time for YC - that's fine.

I think we all understand that dealings between the West and China are complicated, to say the least, by cultural, language, and historic differences. That is why we look to the best of us to reach across these differences and make deals so that we can all prosper rather than be left behind as the rest of the world moves on.