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Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by cmcd »

vageli wrote: post #204
cmcd wrote: post #175

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Right, third party app stores are not officially supported and for good reason. I am not sure what the alternative is, create a unmoderated free for all app store? That goes pretty heavily against the Apple ecosystem's philosophy and would make it easy for people to download damaging apps which Apple would then get blamed for because they added an official channel for installing them.

> and would make it easy for people to download damaging apps which Apple would then get blamed for because they added an official channel for installing them. Do Android users blame Google or the phone manufacturer when they download a damaging app?

Yes they do, the most recent example is apps using a vulnerability to steal images. Many people are blaming Google and Samsung for not addressing this problem sooner and of course having a faulty permissions system that allowed this in the first place. Samsung is frequently attacked for security issues since they take so long to push out updates. Apple avoids these problems entirely by sandboxing apps and thoroughly reviewing functionality before accepting. It is very rare to hear about security issues for iOS yet we hear about a new one for Android monthly.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/11/19/google-c...

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Post by scarface74 »

logfromblammo wrote: post #220
FussyZeus wrote: post #176

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Your hypothesis comes up against the App Store breaking records each year and making tons of money for those who participate. It's the most profitable mobile store by a huge margin, and it's not as if these policies are new, this has been more or less the environment it's operated in since it opened.

Ethics and economics rarely agree. Slavery was also profitable for slave-owners. Fascism was also profitable for the willing corporate partners of the state. The argumentam ad pecuniam is valid only for the accountants, not for policy-makers.

Really slavery? What next comparing developing for a mobile platform to Nazism?

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by cmcd »

arbitcoin wrote: post #225
cmcd wrote: post #162

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OS X and iOS development both require Apple hardware anyways, so shouldn't you have that as a developer?

I got around this by deving on virtual machine.

Pretty sure that is not allowed, you are only supposed to run OS X on Apple hardware.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by scarface74 »

fjabre wrote: post #208
atonse wrote: post #68

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Said it better than I could've – there are some pretty obvious reasons why Rambo's account could've been suspended, the clear violation of NDAs being the main one, with him publishing information about unreleased products. I'm honestly kind of surprised they let him keep his Developer account all this time. My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. It's this kind of stu…

This 100%. Government needs to get involved. Apple is clearly using its monopolistic power as shield against any kind of accountability. Devs have absolutely no recourse against this monopoly.

Another day another case of an HN user not understanding the definition of a “monopoly”.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by tener »

cmcd wrote: post #178
tener wrote: post #170

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There are always reasons that companies want to keep their monopolies. But the fact that "Apple Experience" is something important to Apple should not be the end of discussion. The negative aspects should be evaluated as well.

I'm not saying I am in favor of how locked down iOS is currently, but you have to admit it does create the safest mobile environment especially for less technical people. Apple is selling a product in which they have not decided to include a way to easily download unsupported Apps. I do not think it is the government's role to tell Apple they have to allow a easy way for users to install Apps from different channels.

It is very much the role of the government to watch monopolies and act if necessary. Even if that means passing arbitrary restrictions on their business practices.

Surely not all conceivable restrictions would be good, but some (like GDPR) are clearly net positives.

Re: Apple has locked me out of my developer account

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

izacus wrote: post #121
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #67

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I imagine he crossed some terms of service with obvious legal clarity... so, I guess I’m not sure Apple should separate his “official” and “unofficial” actions. IDK. Maybe I’m just big into personal responsibility and knowing that you shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds you. He did a thing, and now pays a price. I guess I don’t see a lot of gray area. Could you make the argument that Apple’s walled garden has issues,…

I know you didn't think it through directly, but you're now basically supporting the ability of a multi-billionare corporation to financially attack a developer and disable their device over criticism. Just how chilling effect is that? Not being able to criticise and freely talk about a corporation and its product due to fear of having your company financially destroyed or even your personal Apple ID killed over sayi…

No. That wasn’t what I basically support at all. Thanks for the strawman.

You should absolutely be able to critique anything at all. Are you saying leaking preproduction software against your contract to not do that is a first amendment issue?

I do believe no one has tried to silence his speech, as proven by this post about it. He broke a contract and now isn’t allowed to use their tools.

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Post by saagarjha »

mr__y wrote: post #61
est31 wrote: post #33

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Actually this makes me wonder if in 20 years you become unemployable if you had your account banned for whatever reason.

I'm pretty sure that already in 2019 losing a linkedin accout might have serious effect on your career. Not completely unemployable, of course but this could have significant impact in some industries

It's completely possible to get a job without a LinkedIn account.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

FussyZeus wrote: post #120
mortenjorck wrote: post #92

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> My bigger issue here is the complete lack of transparency or visibility into the process. This is indeed the core of the problem. If Apple provided a clear citation, e.g. “the following protected information was shared under your name at this URL on this date, which violates section xyz of your developer agreement,” it would still be unfortunate, but it would be miles ahead of Apple’s maddening “for more informatio…

This is impossible at scale and a waste of a companies' time. Apple doesn't care if your account is reinstated. Odds are (just like the author here) you know exactly why your account is suspended. If you honestly don't, then you didn't do your due diligence in signing up. And, even if they cited whatever part of whatever agreement, it would just be onto the next excuse. It's a bottomless pit of arguing that solves no…

> This is impossible at scale and a waste of a companies' time.

It's not "impossible." It might be difficult, but good customer service always is. I'm not sure why I should take Apple's side just because providing decent service for a fabulously profitable global corporation can be tricky.

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Post by fjabre »

scarface74 wrote: post #234
fjabre wrote: post #208

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This 100%. Government needs to get involved. Apple is clearly using its monopolistic power as shield against any kind of accountability. Devs have absolutely no recourse against this monopoly.

Another day another case of an HN user not understanding the definition of a “monopoly”.

Please enlighten me. I would love to hear what your explanation of a monopoly is.
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