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Re: Broken

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Post by asjw »

arboghast wrote: post #30
mherrmann wrote: post #22

Can I just say how happy I am with Xfce. It's a Linux desktop environment that looks like in the early 2000s. It's fast. There are no unnecessary frills. It just gets the job done. Its release cycles are measured in several years, and keep it minimal. I used to be on Windows, then macOS, then Ubuntu and now this. As a developer with soon to be 20 years of experience, it's the best environment I've had.

So was I until I switch to a 4k monitor and realize that there's no real, stable, functional fractional scaling on Linux, even less so on XFCE, unfortunately.

4k laptop monitor and 4k external monitor, XFCE4 2x works perfectly

I also use 2 different resolutions without problems

KDE plasma gives you fractional scaling

I've heard Wayland supports different scalings on different monitors, but I'm on Xorg so I can't say if it works

Re: Broken

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Post by rayiner »

blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

Things are worse than ever before. Mac OS stability has taken a bit, but it’s not like Windows machines have gotten better. Windows 10 is still a total clusterfuck when it comes to switching between a high dpi internal monitor and an external monitor. The other day my X1 Carbon started randomly powering down (but not hard looking, controlled shutdown, even installing updates). It rebooted four different times in one evening.

Things are just bad now that Steve Jobs is dead. We just have to get used to that.

Re: Broken

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Post by asjw »

irq wrote: post #37
arboghast wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So was I until I switch to a 4k monitor and realize that there's no real, stable, functional fractional scaling on Linux, even less so on XFCE, unfortunately.

This is the biggest thing keeping me from leaving the Mac for Linux, and it hasn’t really improved much in the last 4 years. I don’t think most people care about HighDPI (or whatever you want to call it), particularly Linux devs. But I can’t go back to lower DPI screens.

I used Mac and Windows before, they are no way better, they all come with their own shortcomings

At least XFCE just works

Re: Broken

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Post by ThomPete »

Having tried Figma (a Web based design tool) i am beginning to think that this will be over soon for OSs anyway.

The battle will be between browsers as they will become the new OSs.

My sons school uses chromebooks, which is going to be their base for how they think about digital space in the future. The desktop metaphor will not last forever.

Re: Broken

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Post by evgenyp »

CrazyStat wrote: post #212
amanzi wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a bug like that on Windows. Honestly, it feels like a lot of Mac users live in a bubble where Windows is a buggy pile of crap. Meanwhile most Windows users around the world are getting on with life on a stable OS with a great choice of hardware. While nothing's perfect, Windows is in a really good place at the moment.

You must not have ever used Windows 98.

It was released 21 years ago and its extended support ended 13 years ago

Re: Broken

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Post by [deleted] »

snapples wrote: post #144
snapples wrote: post #131

Things are so broken here at Apple. I joined about 4 years ago. I am awed by the fact that we manage to release any software at all, let alone functional software. The biggest problem is communication. No one fucking communicates. - No communication between orgs. Tons of bureaucratic tape to cut through just to get a hand on someone working on a different product - Barely any communication between teams. Literally ev…

I should note that most developers here really do care, and that’s probably why products can be released in the first place. You have to have really dedicated people willing to cut through the organizational bullshit to get things done. All of the engineers I’ve met here are smart and innovative. Only if we could organize, things would be much better.

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Re: Broken

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Post by dddddaviddddd »

MisterOctober wrote: post #214
blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

I switched from macOS to Linux [Fedora now] about a year and a half ago, out of the same frustrations that affect a lotta folks -- It took a little while to adjust, but since there are a lot of similarities between the Linux and Darwin command lines [and Linux package management being better than homebrew by my lights] , it wasn't very long before I was like "Damn, why didn't I switch 20 years ago!!!" Plus now my har…

Similar motivations led to FreeBSD being my main OS, even fewer differences between all the Unix utilities.

Re: Broken

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

gonehome wrote: post #230
MisterOctober wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from macOS to Linux [Fedora now] about a year and a half ago, out of the same frustrations that affect a lotta folks -- It took a little while to adjust, but since there are a lot of similarities between the Linux and Darwin command lines [and Linux package management being better than homebrew by my lights] , it wasn't very long before I was like "Damn, why didn't I switch 20 years ago!!!" Plus now my har…

Does the hardware actually work? I've used Linux several times over the years and the hardware never totally works. I've always had trackpad issues, issues with suspend and hibernate, wifi issues, screen resolution issues, battery life issues, sound issues, driver issues etc. It 'works' in terms of you can technically do work on it, but you have to make a huge number of concessions and this is before considering it h…

Newer distributions like Ubuntu, Fedora tend to have much better hardware support than other distros. I've used Linux since Ubuntu 7.04, and hardware support has made leaps and bounds since then.

That said, it's still not perfect, and warrants a trial on a throwaway hard drive if absolute hardware functionality is a must.

Re: Broken

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Post by dhruvkar »

gonehome wrote: post #230
MisterOctober wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from macOS to Linux [Fedora now] about a year and a half ago, out of the same frustrations that affect a lotta folks -- It took a little while to adjust, but since there are a lot of similarities between the Linux and Darwin command lines [and Linux package management being better than homebrew by my lights] , it wasn't very long before I was like "Damn, why didn't I switch 20 years ago!!!" Plus now my har…

Does the hardware actually work? I've used Linux several times over the years and the hardware never totally works. I've always had trackpad issues, issues with suspend and hibernate, wifi issues, screen resolution issues, battery life issues, sound issues, driver issues etc. It 'works' in terms of you can technically do work on it, but you have to make a huge number of concessions and this is before considering it h…

Pop_OS! couples with a new Thinkpad work beautifully together.

The ISO already had nvidia drivers bundled. Volume, brightness, functions keys worked out of the box.

Re: Broken

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Post by parliament32 »

crispinb wrote: post #58
arboghast wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So was I until I switch to a 4k monitor and realize that there's no real, stable, functional fractional scaling on Linux, even less so on XFCE, unfortunately.

Try using Linux on a laptop with an hdpi internal monitor, and a regular old external. It's a guaranteed way to generate a daily urge to throttle yourself. (Using Gnome in my case rather than XFCE, but it's still an unparalleled shitshow)

Depends on your distro but on Debian+XFCE I use ARandR (front-end to xrandr cli tool, which is a front-end to xorg's randr). Laptop plus external monitor works great, with auto-config on connect and other stuff.
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