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India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

sbmthakur wrote: post #215
iamshs wrote: post #11

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Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

I don't see any parallel. Khalistani separatism happened because Bhindranwale was propped by the Congress party to gain electoral giains. Who do you think the BJP has propped up now?

Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent.

It don't matter you cannot get Asthma medicine or Insulin, but believe is this all will help you in the end. What a democracy to look up to.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by vakataka »

iamshs wrote: post #224
vakataka wrote: post #214

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I can say the same thing and just dismiss all your points. You are creating false equivalence between Hajj and amarnath. The Indian government controls all Hindu temples and derives revenue. So what is the problem in subsidizing these when the profit from these sites is used up within the country? On the other hand, Hajj spending goes out of the country and is a dead investment. And mind you, only Hindu institutions…

Dismiss them all you want, I am setting your propaganda straight. There ain't no false equivalence there. Subsidy for religious pilgrimage for Hindus and Muslims exists, and you cherry picked Muslim subsidy only and I set it straight. So Hindu pilgrimage subsidy is acceptable because the money is spent inside India? Taxpayer money is still being spent on a religious cause and Mansarovar is in China and not India.

Why are you cherry picking only mansarovar to further your propaganda? There are thousands of Hindu sites inside India that provide employment opportunities and revenue to the state. And yes Hajj doesn't do that. If stating that is propaganda then so be it.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by sbmthakur »

selimthegrim wrote: post #77
mandeepj wrote: post #61

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Amarinder is from opposition party so he had to condemn it

Are people not allowed to have opinions independent of their party now? There were plenty of Congresspeople who broke ranks and supported it. The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening.

> The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening.

Doesn't this comment contrast your first statement.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by sbmthakur »

iamshs wrote: post #231
sbmthakur wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any parallel. Khalistani separatism happened because Bhindranwale was propped by the Congress party to gain electoral giains. Who do you think the BJP has propped up now?

Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent. It don't matter…

> Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority.

Minorities are not curfew anywhere in India. In Kashmir, Muslims are in majority.

> Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women.

I don't recall that happening after the curfew was put in place. Could you share some news reports?

> Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent.

I haven't seen DD News justifying anything. They're just reporting what they're seeing.

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Post by jarfil »

ashleshbiradar wrote: post #206
jkoudys wrote: post #72

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At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

Haha, cryptocurrencies are banned in India, anyone found dealing with them can be jailed up to 10 years.

Except that's false. Only RBI certified institutions are forbidden from trading in crypto, everyone else is free to do as they please.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by jarfil »

twerkinggumby wrote: post #134
Spooky23 wrote: post #95

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Internet is far more critical than gasoline or even electricity. Everything is IP based, and processes for just about everything are dependent on some random service in AWS. In a significant civil unrest event, it would be very feasible for a prepared party to create widespread disruption on a regional level.

Tell me: how do you get the internet without electricity?

With enough IoT, you may not be able to get electricity without the internet either.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by eklavya »

iamshs wrote: post #225
eklavya wrote: post #218

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That would sure seem to be the case unless you see from where refugees are allowed. They are not allowed from all over the world, only areas dealing with partition or Indian history.

Rohingya is in immediate neighbourhood, you don't have to circumnavigate the globe from Myanmar. India and Myanmar share a border.

I am saying again and again partition and Indian history. Nepal is also a border state. China is also a border state, uighurs aren’t included.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by jarfil »

bowmessage wrote: post #78
jkoudys wrote: post #72

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At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

Don’t all cryptos rely on a global network consensus for operation? How would Kashmir’s forked chain resynchronize with the larger chain once back online?

Bitcoin has a Lightning Network which can work independently and only uses the main blockchain to settle disputes, so it could keep operating for as long as there was non-disputed capacity left in the isolated segment.

Adding capacity would require some way of accessing the consensus, but it could be done by the parties updating their blockchain by just importing new blocks from a trusted source (not necessarily the same), like a friend with a USB drive.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by sbmthakur »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #6
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Majority support annexing of the region

Majority support implementation of law and establishment of peace which is already very well recognized as Indian territory.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by sbmthakur »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #69
kobiguru wrote: post #54

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Okay, let's say they lift the ban here is how things will transpire. First, Pakistan's ISPR would start a massive disinformation campaign aided by the separatist who lost all their influence with the present government but has a great following among the Kashmiri Youth. Then there would immense violence with many dead while the "leaders" and there loved ones stay in a five-star hotel in Delhi. To prevent a loss of li…

C'mon, stop bringing Pakistan into this. India has mismanaged Kashmir so badly that the majority of the population wants to leave India -- and not to join Pakistan, mind you, but to be independent.

Ofcourse, why blame Pakistan? Pakistan has only invaded the region few times and has made several inflitration attempts. Nothing more.
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