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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by ignoramous »

hobofan wrote: post #141
TomVDB wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question was not "who do you trust", but "who do you trust more ". Given that Google's business model depends on data sharing whereas Apple has made privacy one of their core features, I think the answer has to be Apple, even if you don't trust them entirely.

> The question was not "who do you trust", but "who do you trust more". The question doesn't _need_ to be "who do you trust more". (I know that I'm mostly repeating the parents points). I don't want a Google login. I don't want a Apple login. I don't want a Facebok login. I want a good old email/username login!

> I want a good old email/username login!

Absolutely. One would still be able to do that (Apple's providing SSO here, not enforcing any guidelines, as of today). Though, I'm happy that friends and family would be able to choose anonymous per-app email-ids on the fly and still be able to SSO.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by ljm »

mjlee wrote: post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

Apple is evolving and adapting in a way the rest of the industry can’t follow.

And, they have the money to do it.

For as long as Android has google ownership... they will never, ever be able to compete on the level of privacy that Apple is now buying into.

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Post by mindgam3 »

MRD85 wrote: post #218
mindgam3 wrote: post #163

This is a huge move. Apple striking at the core of Facebook's play to own your identity, which they had with Facebook Connect but have completely fudged out with countless breaches of user privacy and trust. I used to be the biggest fanboy of facebook connect, but now I have to say: Go Apple.

I've been anti-Apple since I was a high school kid in the 90's. Those big colourful Mac's looked dumb. They're close to winning me over and I'm probably buying a new laptop within 12 months

I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by eitland »

w3rhn2j34oh5o wrote: post #161
Tepix wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It‘s not homemade crypto. It‘s just not the latest and greatest modern crypto but it has no glaring weakness.

Granted, there are no known weaknesses with their protocol -- however, Telegram leads the user to believe their conversations are encrypted, which, unless they opted in to secret chats (and this is not supported on desktop ), its all in the clear. So if you are using it on desktop, all your messages belong to Telegram, and whomever they are sharing it with.

As has been pointed out before this should be plain wrong. Keys and messages are kept separate, in separate jurisdictions even.

This way Telegram can back up messages without dumping them to Googles servers like WhatsApp does by default.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by Jare »

empath75 wrote: post #8

Finally an excuse to delete my Facebook account completely. SSO was the only reason I was still using it. I do wonder how many sites will actually implement it.

Didn't Facebook originally implemented something similar to this email obfuscator in their SSO, and later removed it?

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Post by maxheadroom »

This is a great idea but it kind of falls short.

Elaboration with example: LinkedIn is notarious for swiping up any data points that it can find. Your carrier, your GPS location, etc.

As long as there are two or more data points to successfully tie you to that id, it's already game over. It'll just be added to your "targeted advertising profile" and, given the wrong company getting ahold of it (looking at you, Equifax), sold/traded on the advertising market to third-party advertisers to build better profiles because... ...advertising dollars?

Anyways, the premise is cool but I think - without addressing the dragnet that is targeted advertising - it'll just be a minor inconvenience, which will be conquered over time with the collection of enough data points to tie it back to the "you" that they already know.

...unless you start-off with a brand new phone (new IMEI) and don't associate any old accounts with it, that is.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by MRD85 »

mindgam3 wrote: post #233
MRD85 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been anti-Apple since I was a high school kid in the 90's. Those big colourful Mac's looked dumb. They're close to winning me over and I'm probably buying a new laptop within 12 months

I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

Ok, thanks. I know nothing at all about Apple hardware. It's still a very daunting decision to make. I like the ability to buy my own hardware, for desktops, and to build what I like at a cheaper price. Apple charges a premium but now I have more of an idea of what that premium will get me.

It would be a huge migration for me. Everything I own is tied to one of a few Gmail accounts. My photo history, my uni work in GDrive, my contact lists, my email history, everything about my entire online identity. I'm just increasingly fed up with how Google approaches privacy.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by gigatexal »

basch wrote: post #208
gigatexal wrote: post #175

This single feature shown off today at WWDC has solidified my forever lock-in on all things Apple and especially iOS: no longer will my email be sold needlessly or be spammed and my logging into to different web properties sold to marketers and ad networks and data aggregators. I trust Apple a whole lot more becaUe they charge and arm-and-a-leg for high end hardware and soon services because the products and services…

As soon as Keychain can abstract away passwords completely (rando generation, never need to show the user the password), so an end user cant tell if a site supports Apple SSO or if Apple is just emulating SSO, Apple deserves to be crowned the Identity Winner.

This would be amazing.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by minhazm »

mindgam3 wrote: post #233
MRD85 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been anti-Apple since I was a high school kid in the 90's. Those big colourful Mac's looked dumb. They're close to winning me over and I'm probably buying a new laptop within 12 months

I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

I have the previous generation hardware design as my personal laptop and a late-2019 macbook pro for work and I really don't hate the new one. I know some people have had some issues with keys getting stuck and what not, but I've actually had a pretty good experience with mine. I touch-type and I can type just fine on the newer keyboards. I would have liked to have a physical escape key, but besides that it's fine. I'm happy with the thinner and lighter design. The options of core i9 + 32GB of ram alone is worth getting one of the newer ones over a 2015 model.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by jdminhbg »

hobofan wrote: post #153
jdminhbg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's lower friction in that instead of having to click through an OAuth screen (and possibly re-enter your Google password), you just auth with FaceID/TouchID. And if you're writing an iOS app, then obviously the user has an Apple account.

I'm on Android, so I don't know how it works on iOS devices, but is reentering the Google credentials common? On my Android phone I doubt I had to enter my password more than 5 times in 2 years. And the OAuth screen would be required anyway, as they have also shown on stage.

I frequently have to re-enter my Google credentials on the web on Google properties. I assume Android is storing those deeper in the OS, like Apple is storing your Apple credentials.
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