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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by w3rhn2j34oh5o »

Tepix wrote: post #151
w3rhn2j34oh5o wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is unencrypted by default. All standard messages are stored on the server. Telegrams secret chat mode (end-to-end encryption) uses home made cryptography, and has been panned by experts in past. All group chat is in the clear and stored on the server. This is not the case with imessage. Comparing Telegram to iMessage, telegram is not in the same league as Apple. I don't trust either from TLA's or well funded…

It‘s not homemade crypto. It‘s just not the latest and greatest modern crypto but it has no glaring weakness.

Granted, there are no known weaknesses with their protocol -- however, Telegram leads the user to believe their conversations are encrypted, which, unless they opted in to secret chats (and this is not supported on desktop ), its all in the clear.

So if you are using it on desktop, all your messages belong to Telegram, and whomever they are sharing it with.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by _bxg1 »

anbop wrote: post #92
mjlee wrote: post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

And being done by Apple, most services can’t just reject these the way they do with Mailinator addresses, since it would be throwing away a giant chunk of their revenue. Apps with huge consumer demand like Uber or Facebook could get away with it, but not the vast majority of apps.

Right. One of the big things about Apple getting into something, even if it's been done before, is that they carry enough influence to strongarm other companies into respecting their paying customers. It's great.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by mindgam3 »

This is a huge move. Apple striking at the core of Facebook's play to own your identity, which they had with Facebook Connect but have completely fudged out with countless breaches of user privacy and trust. I used to be the biggest fanboy of facebook connect, but now I have to say: Go Apple.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

prepend wrote: post #150
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s at the bottom of the landing page: https://idbloc.co/#pricing The goal is to explain the concept ahead of the pricing as I think it’s quite novel to most users.

I pay $30/year for a cpanel host that includes unlimited mail forwarding for any address on any domain. This is a byproduct of what I really do which is host a bunch of sites. $48/year for email scrubbing seems like a high price. I think it’s great, and use it a lot. Just wonder how you got to that price vs like $10/year.

Pro users subsidise the free ones, unfortunately. Assuming a 1% conversion rate to pay server costs and 1-2 devs full time at 4 usd/pro user/month you need 2500 pro users, which is 250,000 users.

That and people pay 4 bucks for a coke these days so it’s not really much. Also cPanel is most definitely an expert tool.

I might make it paid only soon and reduce the price but at present there’s not much option to get real feedback and user traction.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by judge2020 »

Justsignedup wrote: post #145

While I like this for privacy purpose this is pretty nafarious. There is no mechanism by which you can use this sign-on without Apple. That means you are stuck with these specialized accounts you would need to re-setup once you leave apple. Just another lock-in. This is definitely not the first time apple does anything like this. If apple really cared they would make a tool for any device or operating system to enabl…

This is something solvable by the service provider. Services can allow you to sign up with Apple, but hopefully they also allow you to link other social accounts and/or set up a password for login without IDP.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by busymom0 »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #160

When Apple users use this to commit fraud/trolling/stalking/etc. and get tracked down it's going to make Apple look bad.

Not really. It's still linked transparently behind the scenes to your Apple ID. The connection won't be visible to the developers but the fraud etc will already be taken care of when signing up for your Apple ID.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by judge2020 »

hobofan wrote: post #153
jdminhbg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's lower friction in that instead of having to click through an OAuth screen (and possibly re-enter your Google password), you just auth with FaceID/TouchID. And if you're writing an iOS app, then obviously the user has an Apple account.

I'm on Android, so I don't know how it works on iOS devices, but is reentering the Google credentials common? On my Android phone I doubt I had to enter my password more than 5 times in 2 years. And the OAuth screen would be required anyway, as they have also shown on stage.

Some apps don't open the "sign in with Google"(/facebook) popup correctly and so cookies end up not being enabled for that browser session, so users need to re-enter their google credentials.

This is being fixed over time with proper implementation.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by busymom0 »

nwsm wrote: post #15

What's the incentive for apps to offer it? Now they don't get user data.

I develop apps myself and I am 100% onboard with using this instead of offering the signup with google or facebook buttons. I might even push users slightly to use this instead of others as it give my apps a bit of extra trust worthiness imo.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by forthwall »

minimaxir wrote: post #10
oh_hello wrote: post #5

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They already offer Apple Pay on the web. I imagine the experience will be similar here.

True, although that would imply Sign in with Apple would be Safari-only, which might be a hard sell.

Safari has a really high market share on mobile, so I would not discount it especially for non-power users who primarily just use their phone.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by busymom0 »

I develop apps myself and I am 100% onboard with using this instead of offering the signup with google or facebook buttons (can offer those as secondary options). I might even push users slightly to use this instead of others as it gives my apps a bit of extra trust worthiness imo.

Only question I have is if it's possible to integrate this on websites and for non-apple products too? Because I would like my app which is available on Android too to be able to use this.

EDIT: Apple's site says it will be available on websites too. Let's hope it's available on non-apple devices too:

> Apple is introducing a new, more private way to simply and quickly sign into apps and websites.

https://www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2019/06/apple-previews-ios...

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