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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by [deleted] »

oidmortales wrote: post #224
revvx wrote: post #139

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I watched this unfold on Twitter, and you're misrepresenting the situation. The people removed from the conference have a history of disruption and harassment in the community. They were removed because of previous behavior that the organizer was not aware beforehand. He relied on the testimony of people he trust. -- > Being able to deal with people that make you very uncomfortable without creating a fuss is a fundam…

Of course it incurred in shame. How would you feel if you are denied entry to a conference because of your partner? Best of cases, angry and disappointment, worst case is a breakup. Do you think you can play with the life of people that easily?

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by village-idiot »

londons_explore wrote: post #226
headcanon wrote: post #2

Sorry to hear about the harassment, thats never fun to deal with. On the plus side, sounds like OP made the right call to disinvite the person from the conference. You can tell an awful lot about a person by how they handle rejection.

As long as that speaker was one of many, I wouldnt have uninvited them. If the audience has an issue with one speaker out of 10, they can take a lunch break then. If it's one out of 2, I can see why they might not want to attend. Using inclusion or exclusion to punish someone for past actions I would try to avoid at all costs. If someone has broken the law, the legal system is there to do punishment. It isn't your ro…

I feel that such policies fall apart when faced with truly toxic people. If the claims of the above article are true, I would consider the people being mentioned to be truly toxic.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by somebodyelse1 »

unbalancedparen wrote: post #92
wccrawford wrote: post #27

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From the article, it sounds like the only reason they didn't name the people was that their lawyer told them not to.

That is not correct. I have no interest in damaging anybody. That is why I did not write names and other things that happened in the article. He has already been banned from other conferences. I am trying to protect myself based on what happened and other people told me, I assure you the last few weeks have been a hell for me. My only objective is to be able to run my conference as I want and not to be harrassed.

>He has already been banned from other conferences.

I know the guy in question, hes quite famous. This is patently and utterly false, hes not banned from anywhere.

Did somebody told you this lie? Let me guess...the same person that denounced him? do you know that these girls work for the Argentine government right? ask around. They did the same to another famous hacker, Nino Orsino. You are being played like a pawn, man.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by somebodyelse1 »

myself248 wrote: post #73

Sounds like the same reason the Derbycon organizers aren't doing it again: https://www.derbycon.com/blog/derbycon-9-0-every-beginning-h...

>Sounds like the same reason the Derbycon organizers aren't doing it again: https://www.derbycon.com/blog/derbycon-9-0-every-beginning-h....

Its exactly the other way around. Here a group of SJW women tagged with a SJW conference to invite and then ban, and harass a speaker because is boyfriend (not even her! her boyfriend!) has supposedly non-SJW views.

Derbycon was brought down by a group of SJW women.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by Fellshard »

protomyth wrote: post #217
CydeWeys wrote: post #214

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I think you're responding to a stronger version of what I actually said. I said that compensation is a factor, whereas you're responding as if I said it were the only factor (which I would disagree with too).

No, I believe the whole compensation argument misses the point. There are males who want to be educators and are actively discouraged from doing the job. Compensation is not a factor in their decision or the employer decision. Its a prejudice against males in early childhood education. If imbalance in IT is bad then it should also be addressed in education. Compensation isn't the problem.

Discouraged by whom, and how?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by radioactivwitch »

leereeves wrote: post #7

How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.

The person that threatened the author of the post and everyone around him is a well known asshole from the Argentinian InfoSec community. He is a bad person that created a hostile environment for several women that are in IT (I am sure that for other people too). He stalked, discriminate, insulted, threatened and more. There is a lot of people that talked with the former speaker about this person in a moment of their life when she broke up with this piece of shit and she said that he was being violent with her. That's the reality, she might be a victim but the guy that harass whoever he wants its a dangerous person. You will have news from more people about this soon. We're simply tired of these disastrous characters. Violence must stop now.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by Mirioron »

bovermyer wrote: post #186
Mirioron wrote: post #179

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I guess the reason I initially made the post was to challenge the ideology. It feels unfair, but I realized only a few minutes later that the discussion wasn't going to be useful. By that time I couldn't delete the post anymore though.

Regardless of whether you agree with the author's position on diversity, perhaps it would be better to focus on the crimes being committed against the author (the point of the article) instead? I mean, I could write a comment critiquing the grammar of the article, but that's decidedly asocial behavior, and unhelpful besides.

I meant to do that, but then a significant chunk of the article was dedicated to exactly the topic I commented on. I completely agree that what was done against the author was terrible.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by kljhsdfkhjdf »

weberc2 wrote: post #204
ajkjk wrote: post #196

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But you're doing it too! You're trying to make it sound abundantly reasonable that the OP's ideology is inconsistent, when lots of people would completely disagree with that, and then you're pretending like it's obvious and not up for debate. More fanning the flames. Why?

> You're trying to make it sound abundantly reasonable that the OP's ideology is inconsistent No, I'm asserting that it's inconsistent (based on studying these sorts of purportedly "egalitarian" racial/gender ideologies). Anyone is welcome to make a counterargument. > lots of people would completely disagree with that I know. And I find their justifications fascinating, as previously mentioned. > then you're pretendi…

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by [deleted] »

kljhsdfkhjdf wrote: post #238
weberc2 wrote: post #204

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> You're trying to make it sound abundantly reasonable that the OP's ideology is inconsistent No, I'm asserting that it's inconsistent (based on studying these sorts of purportedly "egalitarian" racial/gender ideologies). Anyone is welcome to make a counterargument. > lots of people would completely disagree with that I know. And I find their justifications fascinating, as previously mentioned. > then you're pretendi…

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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gwbas1c wrote: post #177

I wish I knew why so many conference attendees requested that such a person be removed from the conference. Why? Part of diversity means being able to cooperate with people who have different viewpoints and ideologies. Further reading about this person's aggressive and retaliatory behavior implies that this person has issues that should keep her out of conferences. But, I still think it's important to understand why…

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