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'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by geggam »

greglindahl wrote: post #230
geggam wrote: post #180

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Agreed. However your battery will die very quickly and leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere. I had to take a couple home who were on the side of the mountain coming home from half moon bay to the pennisula. The gauge told them they had 40 miles left on the battery but that mountain climb killed it. If they had a gas car I could have poured them a bit from a can. As it was they had to get a tow and I drove the…

Or, you could use the nav system of your car to get an accurate estimate of battery usage. I've driven that exact route repeatedly, the nav estimate was spot on.

Point being there is no quick fix to running out of juice.

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samsolomon wrote: post #37
msla wrote: post #10

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And I think the cultural problems will scuttle the whole thing. https://jalopnik.com/bro-truck-owners-are-deliberately-block... > Bro-Truck Owners Are Deliberately Blocking Tesla Supercharger Spots > I generally like people, which may be why I never fail to be surprised when I encounter people being truly unrepentant dickheads for no good reason whatsoever. That’s what seems to have been going down at a Tesla Superch…

Many people bought Teslas because they were cool, not because they were helping the environment. Tesla gave consumers what they wanted AND it happened to be better for the environment. If Ford can deliver an electric F-Series, it will have the same effect on truck owners.

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Post by benj111 »

TylerE wrote: post #229
burlesona wrote: post #211

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Today’s Ranger and Colorado are about the size that the F-150 and Silverado we’re back in the 90s. The obesity epidemic has hit trucks pretty hard.

The price of being able to survive a 60mph collision.

But what about the other guy?

Survivability should be about crumple zones, air bags, etc, not steamrollering everyone.

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Post by benj111 »

darkpuma wrote: post #121
Scoundreller wrote: post #93

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Trailers should lend themselves well to the sharing economy, no? Minimal maintenance, largely stored sitting idle, no cleaning required. You don't even need to unethically deem your workers as contractors.

Trailers are a huge pain in the ass, have you ever backed up with one? I've done my fair share of trailer towing and given the choice between a trailer and a pickup, I chose the pickup every time. Trailers have a capacity advantage though. Sometimes the shit you're moving simply won't fit in a large pickup truck. In those cases though, having a truck with sufficient power to tow that trailer is still handy...

Roof racks then?

Sheet materials and long materials up there no problem, everything else in the boot.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by lostlogin »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #192
cloudwalking wrote: post #156

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You can get a 2 door 6ft bed Tacoma. It does have "back seats" but nobody's going to want to ride in them for more than 10 minutes. You can also get an F150 with just two seats and a 6.5ft bed. But yeah, physically, any pickup today is significantly bigger than one made in the 80s or 90s.

I dunno, the two-door Nissan Frontier at least looks like a "small 90s pickup"? But the photos could be lying, of course. https://www.autoblog.com/nissan/frontier/

To those who also didn’t know what this is - Navara is the other name.

The old Hilux is sort of similar, and I love those.

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Post by richjdsmith »

_0w8t wrote: post #159
MisterOctober wrote: post #55

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I disliked pickup trucks for their size and fuel consumption until I owned a house and got heavily into gardening. Home maintenance and significant garden activity are made waaaaay easier by having a truck [or big van, I guess] available. That said, I still don't personally own a truck, borrowing them as needed. An all-electric model of good quality would be pretty tempting to me.

In Norway even in countryside people do not get pickups. It could be that trucks are just not very good in winter with snow and ice on mountain roads. Or people are not going to pay for extra fuel consumption with prices like 7 usd/gal. But trailers are widespread and gardening/furniture shops provide them either for free or for a very low price.

>trucks are just not very good in winter with snow and ice on mountain roads

Canadian here who drives a truck in the snowy mountain roads, I'm pretty confused by this. Why do you say they are not good? There is nothing I'd rather be in than an F350 with studded tires and four-wheel drive on the highway when the road conditions go bad.

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Post by tomcam »

SECProto wrote: post #152
thoughtpalette wrote: post #129

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I just learned that the term "redneck" actually comes from an old coal miner union strike that showed solidarity by using red kerchiefs hanging around their necks. I can't use that term in the same way ever again, fwiw.

> I just learned that the term "redneck" actually comes from an old coal miner union strike that showed solidarity by using red kerchiefs hanging around their necks. Curious, I reasearched this. While that was indeed one use of the term (especially re: the West Virginia mine war in 1921), the etymology for the term as we use it is from 1900ish, 20 years earlier. And it refers, more generally, to farmers and working c…

> Stereotyping rural or working class or poor people using the term "redneck" is bad in its own right

Much of my family is made up of these people. And to a person they call themselves… rednecks.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

mastrsushi wrote: post #118

I have a really worried feeling about this. Don't get me wrong, it needs to happen, but why start off the transition with commercial? It's the consumers who are concerned with buying gas, environmental, and politics. The elephant in the room is Tesla and of course every auto company will follow, further eating into the consumer sedan to SUV market. So why doesn't Ford start there, then work there way up to migrate it…

Because the more you drive, the more you save in energy and maintenance cost by switching to EV: charging cost far below gas prices, no oil change, (almost) no break change, etc.

The only thing that slows down (for now) the EV transition is the up-front cost of buying the battery. But businesses are more aware of the cost advantage of EV than consumers.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

sjwright wrote: post #97
clouddrover wrote: post #92

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Yes, I agree the Hyundai Kona EV is the best value for money today. It's got good range at a good price. But the upcoming Volkswagen I.D. models are also cars which get the normal and boring things right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/concept-cars/volkswage... The I.D. hatchback is supposed to be priced around the same as a diesel Golf. They say they'll be able to d…

All true but again, I don't trust VAG as a company so I'm not inclined to purchase any of their products. I personally know too many people burned by their various catastrophes with their DSG gearboxes and diesel engines that I'd simply be too scared to hand over my money.

That's interesting, they are perceived as a quality/aspirational brand in the UK.

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Post by mcv »

sjwright wrote: post #58
ip26 wrote: post #47

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... Although now I'm reminded of the bit I read recently that noted in thirty minutes a two-stroke leaf blower emits as much CO & NOx pollution as driving an F-150 3,800 miles. https://www.citylab.com/life/2016/11/the-case-against-neighb...

Possibly, as two stroke burns oil intentionally. But the actual volume of carbon dioxide emissions is a function of the volume of fuel consumed. A small handheld tool won’t use much fuel compared to the (napkin math) 500 liters of petroleum in the vehicle.

Two stroke engines are notoriously dirty. Over the past couple of decades, cars have become a lot cleaner due to all the regulations, but two stroke engines (also popular in mopeds) produce disproportionate pollution now.
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