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'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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> Upstarts seem to be poised to eat their cake. Probably not. I think Volkswagen will be the biggest producer of battery electric vehicles within the next 3 years. VW is also talking about licensing their MEB electric car platform to Ford (though not necessarily for this F-150).

I do like the look of the Golf GTE, but it's not sold here (Australia) and I don't trust VAG as a company. In my estimation, electric is perfect for the smaller second car, where it becomes a no-brainer for 95% of commuting and shopping tasks. Tesla is going for the electric-car-first market. Volkswagen, BMW and others seem to be throwing darts at the wall to see what sticks. Right now the most interesting future pro…

Yes, I agree the Hyundai Kona EV is the best value for money today. It's got good range at a good price.

But the upcoming Volkswagen I.D. models are also cars which get the normal and boring things right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/concept-cars/volkswage...

The I.D. hatchback is supposed to be priced around the same as a diesel Golf. They say they'll be able to drive down prices though the economies of scale of their MEB platform:

https://jalopnik.com/the-fascinating-engineering-behind-vws-...

And for high-end luxury cars VW will have the Porsche Taycan and at least three models of Audi e-tron in the next few years (Audi e-tron SUV to be released soon, a future Audi e-tron GT based on the Porsche Taycan's platform, and a future Audi CUV based on the same MEB platform as the I.D. models).

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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I rent trailers from U-Haul for that, it's only $15/day.

Plus however long it takes to drive to u-haul, wait for them to check-out the trailer, hook it up, use it, then drive back to u-haul, return it, etc. Time is money.

Trailers should lend themselves well to the sharing economy, no?

Minimal maintenance, largely stored sitting idle, no cleaning required. You don't even need to unethically deem your workers as contractors.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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They're going to make all-electric (and hybrid) options. What the headline first made me think was that the whole lineup would be all (=only) electric.

I was thinking the same thing. There isn't enough power generation capacity in the US to support something like that.

There seems to be, electricity generation uses more energy than transportation: https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/flow/css_20...

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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so after 5 years the battery in my laptop is just toast. can anyone comment on what happens to an electric car after 5 years? 10, 20? i have a truck with 350,000 kms on it. will this still be possible?

Current generation lithium-based batteries will be recycled into batteries for non-automotive applications, e.g. fixed-location storage, etc. It's a wear component, just like cars have always had wear components. If/when a viable contender technology reaches manufacturing at scale, allowing for very-high charge/discharge cycles, that picture will change dramatically. There's currently a ton of money and R&D effort be…

I've always wondered what the degradation is like, because it dictates what secondary applications are viable.

Is it just peak capacity?

What happens to peak discharge rate?

Charge efficiency?

Discharge efficiency?

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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I do like the look of the Golf GTE, but it's not sold here (Australia) and I don't trust VAG as a company. In my estimation, electric is perfect for the smaller second car, where it becomes a no-brainer for 95% of commuting and shopping tasks. Tesla is going for the electric-car-first market. Volkswagen, BMW and others seem to be throwing darts at the wall to see what sticks. Right now the most interesting future pro…

Yes, I agree the Hyundai Kona EV is the best value for money today. It's got good range at a good price. But the upcoming Volkswagen I.D. models are also cars which get the normal and boring things right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/concept-cars/volkswage... The I.D. hatchback is supposed to be priced around the same as a diesel Golf. They say they'll be able to d…

All true but again, I don't trust VAG as a company so I'm not inclined to purchase any of their products. I personally know too many people burned by their various catastrophes with their DSG gearboxes and diesel engines that I'd simply be too scared to hand over my money.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Now, if only they would revive the light trucks of the 1980s. Even the new Ranger looks massive (perhaps, that’s only looks though?).

It'll probably never happen because pickups have such a big profit margin, they wouldn't want to sell a lower end one when people are buying the bigger ones. Also, you have to pay extra taxes to import trucks, so you either have to build them in the US or raise the price.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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In Texas, can confirm. It's also crazy how much they spend on them. Pretty much a second mortgage for a lot of people based on income.. Can fit a lot in my hatchback and would just do what they do in New Zealand on the odd occasion I need more; rent a truck or van for the day.

I used to own a Focus hatchback and was always amazed at how much I could fit in it. But everyone shitting on Texans for owning trucks is crazy. This is a huge agricultural, construction, and manufacturing state and there are plenty of non white collar office jobs that demand a solid vehicle that won't get stuck in two inches of dirt. I don't have one of those jobs but I still drive a truck, because this is Texas and…

> But everyone shitting on Texans for owning trucks is crazy

I didnt see anyone do that. I saw someone on a website complain about the price of gas to fill their truck, and someone else ask them if they considered driving something other than a truck.

(honestly, "do you NEED the truck?" is a very good question. I drive a Yaris to construction sites. Wouldn't work for every job, but everyone else in my position drives a truck. It's an important question to consider.)

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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This is a big deal. The F-Series is the single most popular vehicle in the US, and nearly 900K of them are sold every year! In fact, the top 3 models in the US are F-Series, Silverado, and Ram, so the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified competition the F-Series will force.

I can't believe that pickups are the three most sold models in the US. That's really insane. https://www.businessinsider.com/best-selling-cars-and-trucks...

Perhaps it's connected to the observation that one in five USA households have "zero or negative" net worth. Imagine the sacrifices they make for their future, and their children's future, so they can feel big on city roads and haul around nine cubic yards of air.

'You do you', I guess.

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