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Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #217
pjc50 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, "Open borders" is a pretty extreme example of "weasel words" that we would spot if it came in a set of product requirements. Does it refer to residency or just to visiting? What's the opposite of an open border, a closed border? Would a closed border with Mexico really mean no travel across it at all, like the Berlin wall? People argue about "health tourism" in the UK system of near-universal healthcare(+), and…

I agree, that "health tourism" isn't really a thing, however my use of the term "open-borders" was in reference to how detractors of universal healthcare, (mostly on the right), in the U.S. straw man it as meaning that it means the entire Latin America moving to the U.S. Putting aside the implied supremacy of the U.S. etc., I just wanted to point out that this is not what people like Bernie are arguing for and is the…

Health tourism absolutely is a thing. There are even companies that specialize in arranging it. However, my understanding is that it predominantly falls into two categories, neither of which is particularly about exploiting systems like the NHS:

1) People traveling to e.g. the US or Israel to get procedures that aren't available in their home country.

2) People traveling from high-cost to low-cost countries and paying everything out-of-pocket because even forgoing insurance and adding travel costs still leaves it drastically cheaper than their home country.

There are some cases of people scamming government-funded healthcare, but I think those have been sensationalized by the press.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

ardy42 wrote: post #46
wangyjx wrote: post #43

If not Amazon, another company will do business with gov. Face recognition is mature enough, there is no very high barrier. Even if US gov doesnt adopt such technology, another gov will do and already done. It is just business.

> If not Amazon, another company will do business with gov. Face recognition is mature enough, there is no very high barrier. Even if US gov doesnt adopt such technology, another gov will do. > It is just business. Guns are a mature technology, and pretty easy to use. If I don't do the hit for Vinny, some other hitman will, so I might as well make some cash. It is just business. The fact that someone else may perform…

> ...do the hit for Vinny...

Why did you choose that name?

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Post by avaika »

alaxsxaq wrote: post #223

Regarding speed cameras. I was driving around the Netherlands and saw speed cameras for the first time (I'm from the US) in Apeldoorn. There were signs that warned drivers about them. In the US, in several rural areas have electronic signs at the edge of town, just outside of the limit change, which warn you when you are exceeding the limit through town. I would have no problem at all with permanent enforcement syste…

I believe speed cameras might be good if they're installed in dangerous areas to enforce lower speed limit to decrease accidents number. When they're installed in good spots to increase fine collection and the speed limit is also lowered (e.g. 60km/h on a highway just because the nearby town border crosses 500m on the map, but no pedestrian ever shows up close to the highway) for the same reason it is abusive usage of technology. Unfortunately in my home country the second scenario is the most common.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #204
leereeves wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In response to aggressive use of traffic cameras, people in a number of cities and states have passed propositions banning their use. A switch to (1) might have similar effects, motivating the people to force a switch to (2).

Any use of traffic cameras is seen as 'aggressive'. It inevitably results in hundreds of tickets that otherwise wouldn't be written, affecting hundreds of citizens in a way they see as intrusive and 'unfair'. For better or worse.

not disagreeing with the first part of your statement, but, for the second part, a reasonable remedy would be to simply lower the cost of each violation.

e.g. if almost everyone got speeding tickets, but they only cost $15 and didn't involve any points against the driver's record or insurance premium hikes, people would simply pay up and probably speed less often. complaints about the injustice of speeding tickets would probably remain at current levels.

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Post by bsenftner »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #206
michaelt wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why sell cars that can go faster than $MaxSpeedInYourCountry ??? Politicians today have three choices: (1) Set and enforce low speed limits, large numbers of drivers make low-impact complaints. (2) Set and enforce high speed limits, small numbers of parents of dead children make high-impact complaints. (3) Set low speed limits but don't enforce them. Anti-speed campaigners and road users are both satisfied. In my cou…

Anarchy! I remember my first time through Chicago at 7PM years ago, merging onto an 11 lane highway with a 45mph speed limit and finding everybody, absolutely everybody, going 80. Some enforcement has to be done or it gets out of hand ever so quickly

Yeah, Los Angeles has no speed limit at all, anywhere. It's basically "don't be a dick, or you'll get pulled over" as your cruising 70 mph next to a cop in a school zone.

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Post by golergka »

durkie wrote: post #102
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

This was something that came up shortly after the Snowden documents were released. I don't remember who made the point (maybe Moxie Marlinspike), but they pointed out how important it is to be able to break the law. That breaking the law is an vital means of effecting change in the US: kids smoke pot illegally and grow up to be adults that push to legalize it. Gay people are more and more open and successfully push f…

Gay marriage and drug abuse don't kill people. (At least other people, if we jump from weed to opioids). Car speeding does.

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Post by colmvp »

nodesocket wrote: post #25

Unrelated, but when, and if Bloomberg is found guilty of pushing the fake Supermicro China story there should be a penalty for publishing clickbait headlines that are, for lack of a better term, fake news. I know for a fact HN blacklists conservative news outlets such as Breitbart across the board. It seems a little biased and double standard to just let Bloomberg continue to push outrage and in some cases baseless s…

Yeah isn’t there a named phenomenon when an expert reads an article from a source, realizes it’s full of factual errors, dismisses the article only to continue reading the rest of the articles from the exact same source?

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Post by alexnewman »

mohammedbin wrote: post #193
alexnewman wrote: post #58

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Also this is not meddling. Part of being a super power is out politics is world polifics . Keep asking questions

Good point,thank you. No offense but I guess your politics affects ours very directly.

I totally agree although I now have people down voting everything I post. Bizarre

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Post by HillaryBriss »

sureaboutthis wrote: post #214
naveen99 wrote: post #192

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The cops would revolt as their revenue would disappear or the voters would revolt as taxes would have to be raised to make up for lost ticket revenue. Besides eventually they will track everyone, not just immigrants...

Police departments do not rely on ticket revenue. Cities do. In many cases, a step up in traffic violations is done by a request by a town councilman who may have been pressured by constituents complaining and not revenue. Source: business contacts with police and relative who is an officer.

interestingly, in California a large chunk of the revenues from moving violations go to the state.

http://www.allgov.com/usa/ca/news/where-is-the-money-going/w...

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Post by RadiconCDF »

So because certain media seems unwilling to draw the necessary distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, I must ask, is this project intended to track legal or illegal immigrants? It's not clear from the article.

I have no problem with this if it's illegal immigrants.

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