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“Creative” workloads require sustained CPU tho’ and that’s who Apple claims this is for
Which "creative" workloads? Video, 3D, and photography mostly require sustained GPU. For audio, it's more the CPU.
For typical loads, both will be at a high level of usage
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In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. Maybe it's hard to cool CPUs in thin laptops. But then don't let people pay for expensive upgrades that have no performance benefit.
> In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. The full value out of it includes: 1) It not being short-lived by rampant overheating (even if it's within cpu tolerances) 2) It being quiet as you expect a MBP to be It's not supposed to render 6K 3D all day at full speed in the tropics...
Hyperbole aside, their advertising shows it hooked up to a 5K external display running the Unity debugger. So it should at least be able to render 5K 3D for a typical work day.
This isn't a problem solely with the MacBook Pro - it affects most of the "ultralight" laptops these days. My XPS 13 (lovely machine, thermal issues aside) has been RMA'd 3 times because it overheated. It still gets far too hot and throttles itself so I've had to underclock it and turn off "turbo" mode. Other users have mentioned that simply repasting the CPU has caused massive improvements in temps, but I'm personal…
So maybe if you still want to use the laptop after a few years you can open it up and give it a bit of a facelift. Maybe applying a whole bunch of thermal paste will give it a slightly new lease of life?
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You don’t think it’s unreasonable that a laptop should work in daylight?
A 15" laptop's body could easily be absorbing 75 watts of heat from the sun, equivalent to running both the CPU and GPU of a MacBook Pro pegged at 100%. I think throttling in this scenario is a reasonable tradeoff, much more so than overengineering the cooling solution to handle it and thereby increasing cost, weight and bulk. Sit in the shade.
EDIT: Yes, I checked, the MacBook Air has an operating temperature of 10-35c and a storage temperature of -25-45c, which means that it's technically unusable or out of warranty if you use it in a hot country on a hot day. Like in the tropics on a beach for example.
Every MacBook Pro I've ever owned locked it self down to low frequency after running a CPU intensive task for a minute or so. I thought that was common knowledge? There's NO laptops out there that wouldn't do that (and NO mobile devices either). This is why desktop workstations are still so much faster even though they carry same frequency chips.
My 10 years old HP nc6400 doesn't do that. It requires occasional (once a year) cleaning of the fan assembly though (not that hard to access). The fan is loud, the laptop is bulky but it never ever throttles. The CPU has 34W TDP, I do not think that's on the low side.
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Is the Intel upgrade treadmill is starting to show its age? How much longer can we keep making the chips "faster" when the tradeoff is increasingly just more thermal issues? Can't wait for a decent A-series chip MacBook.
Why do you think putting an ARM in a laptop will solve anything? If you want 5-8 year old x86 performance buy a HP envy and see how well your full blown desktop apps run. https://www.cnet.com/reviews/hp-envy-x2-snapdragon-835-revie...
(not saying I'm convinced an Apple ARM would actually outperform the x86 but that waving around Snapdragon machine doesn't prove your point)
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When working as intern at an Apple store more than 10 years back the instructions from Apple for reassembly would always tell to put a huge amount of thermal grease on the CPU. So much that it would be squirted out from under the heatblock in large blobs. I always found it odd as I was used to add just as much as was needed without spilling over. Never read any research on it though so I'm curious what was the right…
If a bare-die CPU or GPU is not fully covered, the uncovered portions will rapidly become hot and the chip may die (especially if the thermal sensors are covered and cannot detect this). This is different from modern desktop processors where there is an IHS to help spread the heat around - there is a very real danger to insufficient paste application on a bare die. In contrast, since modern thermal pastes are non-con…
I recently re-applied thermal paste (an old Arctic MX-2 I had lying around) on a late 2013 MacBook Pro which has bare-die CPU and GPU. The first time I did it, I applied too much paste and it had an observable negative effect on thermal dissipation. Once I applied the correct amount, I got slightly better results than stock paste.
Genuinely curious: I don't work in the space of CAD, video editing or any other field that people tend to use to justify the MacBook Pro's ludicrous pricetag that has some shiny numbers on the tech specs sheet. Do these really do anything a sufficiently equipped laptop from anyone else can't? Plenty of options with latest gen Intel and Nvidia 10xx series are out there for less insane prices. Granted, I don't see many…
Yes, mac touchpads are light years ahead of non mac touchpads.
This isn't a problem solely with the MacBook Pro - it affects most of the "ultralight" laptops these days. My XPS 13 (lovely machine, thermal issues aside) has been RMA'd 3 times because it overheated. It still gets far too hot and throttles itself so I've had to underclock it and turn off "turbo" mode. Other users have mentioned that simply repasting the CPU has caused massive improvements in temps, but I'm personal…
I'm only comfortable doing that after I've got at least 3 years of value out of it. My current laptop is an aging Zenbook Pro where I've replaced the custom SSD with an adapter plus an m.2 board. So maybe if you still want to use the laptop after a few years you can open it up and give it a bit of a facelift. Maybe applying a whole bunch of thermal paste will give it a slightly new lease of life?
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Were the benchmarks run on a cooled room? Some years ago, as a student, I paid $$$ for a Toshiba with 4 cores and hyperthreading, and I could only run them well on the winter or in a very cool room. In the summer it would reach 100C and constantly throttle, so I do think that temperature is a key issue, sp. now with slimmmer laptops
> 100C Are you sure?? That sounds a bit...hot. Do you mean 100F?