When the heading said Youtuber, I thought for sure it would be Louis Rossmann
MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#202Louis Rossmann made a video[1] a while ago presenting how badly optimized is the cooling on new MacBooks. In short: Apple prefers their MacBook CPU and GPU to run hot and thermally throttle so that the user is happy because the machine is quiet, and then, more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years. https://www.yo…
>and then, more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years.
Conspiracy theory BS. MacBooks don't die after "2-3 years", and they retain much better resale value than Wintel laptops too.
That said, Apple could very well prioritise quiet over full-speed.
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#203Louis Rossmann made a video[1] a while ago presenting how badly optimized is the cooling on new MacBooks. In short: Apple prefers their MacBook CPU and GPU to run hot and thermally throttle so that the user is happy because the machine is quiet, and then, more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years. https://www.yo…
> more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years.
And yet, MacBooks tend to be extremely reliable for many years.
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#204Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#205It's probably because Toronto, where he lives, has been around 27 degrees and 70% humidity the last few days. That's around 7 degrees and 20% humidity above the typical office climate of around 20 degrees and 50% humidity. That difference can result in roughly 20% lower dissipation power if the temperature at the heatsink is around 50-60 degrees which it appears to have been historically. That 20% extra dissipation p…
The i7 was tested in the same circumstances I assume. So it shouldn't matter how hot or humid it was. The comparison should be valid.
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quinn Nelson (a.k.a. Snazzy Labs) recently did a couple of videos where he replaced the stock thermal paste on a 2017 MacBook Pro with a liquid metal thermal paste [1] and then 3 months later with a standard thermal paste [2]. With the liquid metal paste the CPU temps dropped 10°C, ran 200MHz faster and the MacBook Pro didn't thermal throttle. The standard thermal paste also saw a 7-10% improvement in thermals compar…
When working as intern at an Apple store more than 10 years back the instructions from Apple for reassembly would always tell to put a huge amount of thermal grease on the CPU. So much that it would be squirted out from under the heatblock in large blobs. I always found it odd as I was used to add just as much as was needed without spilling over. Never read any research on it though so I'm curious what was the right…
If a bare-die CPU or GPU is not fully covered, the uncovered portions will rapidly become hot and the chip may die (especially if the thermal sensors are covered and cannot detect this). This is different from modern desktop processors where there is an IHS to help spread the heat around - there is a very real danger to insufficient paste application on a bare die. In contrast, since modern thermal pastes are non-conductive, there is no real downside to an enthusiastic application of paste except for making a mess, so you want to default to putting too much on rather than having some dumb intern kill a PC with an insufficient application. There is virtually no effect on thermals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAid5G30-WM
LM is conductive, so you need to be much more careful with the application, as over-application will kill the chip. It also can migrate over time, especially if you put a bit too much on, and is particularly unsuitable for laptops that are going to be moved around a lot.
Putting LM on a laptop is a gimmick, and one with fairly considerable risk to the hardware, not something that is suitable for mass production.
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#207The biggest shock for me with these laptops came when I tried to do some light gaming. I'm not talking about recent titles either, my 2017 MBP gets bought to the brink by KSP at minimum settings with no mods. I understand that I would be quite rightly criticised for trying to run something like Fortnite but we're talking about a game here with roots in 2013. The hardware they put inside the later models has no hope i…
KSP is CPU constrained and IIRC uses only one thread beacause of Unity 3d.
Try lesr boosters :)
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.
In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. Maybe it's hard to cool CPUs in thin laptops. But then don't let people pay for expensive upgrades that have no performance benefit.
>In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it.
The full value out of it includes:
1) It not being short-lived by rampant overheating (even if it's within cpu tolerances) 2) It being quiet as you expect a MBP to be
It's not supposed to render 6K 3D all day at full speed in the tropics...
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#209Louis Rossmann made a video[1] a while ago presenting how badly optimized is the cooling on new MacBooks. In short: Apple prefers their MacBook CPU and GPU to run hot and thermally throttle so that the user is happy because the machine is quiet, and then, more importantly, Apple is also happy, because when it overheats often it has a shorter lifespan so you’ll have to buy a new MacBook after 2-3 years. https://www.yo…
I switched from a MacBook Air to a similarly spec’ed (4260U vs 5200U) Thinkpad a couple of months ago, and noticed a vast performance difference when playing games. When playing games the processor gets up to 85C, but doesn’t throttle. It’s either that or Linux is a lot better for gaming than macOS.
Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends on workload. If I'm typing code for a minute and then spending few seconds compiling and launching it, it won't trigger throttling, but reducing each compilation from 3 seconds to 2 seconds is certainly a benefit.
“Creative” workloads require sustained CPU tho’ and that’s who Apple claims this is for
Which "creative" workloads? Video, 3D, and photography mostly require sustained GPU.
For audio, it's more the CPU.