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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by justinclift »

kbart wrote: post #212
justinclift wrote: post #41

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I'm really hoping this crap badly affects the computers of some large justice/gov systems around the world (and/or the home computers of senior judges). That should get the right people involved for sticking the boots in.

"I'm really hoping this crap badly affects the computers of some large justice/gov systems around the world" Enterprise editions are not eligible for free upgrade to W10, so it's not likely. Also, there are additional safeguards, for example, you must get upgrades directly from MS, not WSUS (as per standard business practice). I'm sure MS thought that well and chose targets that are not likely to defend themselves in…

It's unfortunate, but that's probably correct. :(

Kind of wondering if this action by MS would count as abusive behaviour by a monopolist.

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Post by mreams »

foxyv wrote: post #103

Prompted by Windows 10 privacy issues, I switched to Mint on my laptop recently and was pleasantly surprised. I've been constantly trying to switch to Linux but having to revert because of driver incompatibility. That has completely changed in the past 3 years. It makes my laptop feel speedy again. Before it was really slow with Microsoft sitting on top of it. I recently slapped an SSD into it and it's even better. T…

I recently switched to Mint from Windows 8.1 and it's been shockingly easy. I run triple monitors at work and I was worried getting them all working was going to be a terrible experience. A coworker who runs Ubuntu offered to help me get it set up, but in the time it took for him to get a cup of coffee and come back, I had installed the driver Mint recommended and everything just worked. It runs great on my laptop too, so far I haven't had any driver issues.

Not all of my steam games run under linux but quite a few of them do and the ones I've tried so far have run just as well as they do under windows.

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Post by carapace »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #116
carapace wrote: post #91

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For what it's worth I believe you are being wildly naive. Have a nice day.

It isn't worth much, but - believe it or not - it's not totally worthless either. Note my wording though: I believe it does happen at times, I doubt it happens with the frequency claimed on HN and reddit. Hearing more first-hand accounts of it occurring is required for me to move substantially on my opinion. As is, it's primarily speculation and people asking others to "trust them, it happens." That said, I could do…

I apologize for the "Have a nice day." I meant it ironically rather than insincerely, it can be difficult to convey tone on the Internet.

To provide context: I was telling people for years before Snowden that "they" were recording everything. Of course, I was dismissed as a wearer of the tin-foil hat, yes? I'm afraid I find naivete a bit frustrating. No excuse for rudeness though! Sorry about that! :-)

Warm regards, and sincere wishes of kindness to you and yours.

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Post by carapace »

marvy wrote: post #140
HelloMcFly wrote: post #116

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It isn't worth much, but - believe it or not - it's not totally worthless either. Note my wording though: I believe it does happen at times, I doubt it happens with the frequency claimed on HN and reddit. Hearing more first-hand accounts of it occurring is required for me to move substantially on my opinion. As is, it's primarily speculation and people asking others to "trust them, it happens." That said, I could do…

First hand accounts? As in someone saying "yes, I do this"?

Does this count? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-internet-trolls-are-t...

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Post by CamperBob2 »

_khau wrote: post #217

Meet the new Microsoft, same as the old Microsoft. Seriously though, I hope they receive some major backlash for their behaviour over the last few months. It's incredibly aggressive and anti-consumer.

The old Microsoft would have been blasted into oblivion for doing this. For some reason, the "new Microsoft" is getting a free pass on behavior that would make Larry Ellison queasy.

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Post by passcod »

deadcast wrote: post #169
mikegioia wrote: post #92

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Just out of curiosity, what dev work can't you do on Linux? I usually only hear that case for games or graphic/video editing.

Haha actually that is the case! I need to use Unity and the latest Linux build[1] doesn't yet have all of the features like in the latest version 5.3.3 for Windows/OSX. It's still experimental but now that I think of it... I might not need all of the features in the latest release, hmmm. Also I need Remote Desktop Connection to do some contract work. I know other non-Windows remote desktop applications exist but I'm…

The rdesktop (and GUI frontends) Remote Desktop client on Linux is perfect for this. Supports the Windows RDP protocol. All you need is to find the raw connection data (if they don't give it to you, e.g. if they use "remote desktop connection files"). We have various Windows servers at work yet no developer uses Windows (it's all OS X and Linux).

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Post by brownbat »

gherkin0 wrote: post #228
tim333 wrote: post #192

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I believe 10 has some security improvements over 7. At least I hope so. I was thinking of upgrading my mum's pc basically for that reason.

If it has, they're not to the point of making Windows 7 "old and insecure" in comparison to it. But if it has, I'd like to know what they are. About all I've heard about Windows 10 are its privacy invasions and its attempts to take control away from its users.

My original comment was tongue in cheek, trying to mirror the OPs "everything's an upside!" post.

That said, MS does tend to roll out major security architecture improvements between versions. Incremental updates are helpful, but new architectural defenses against malware happen with major revisions.

As a consequence, "old versions of windows" (though admittedly mostly XP) are one of the worst things about the internet right now. As someone who works in security, MS moving to the forced upgrade model that Chrome pioneered will solve one of my biggest headaches in the long run. I know that's selfish, and the tradeoffs for users may not be worth it, but man, old versions of Windows are the bane of my existence.

Anyway, as to specifics, the DEP and ASLR in Windows 7 were the big enhancements, but Windows 8.1 had better sandboxing features that are carried forward, and Windows 10 has improved encryption and authentication. Forcing people away from IE to Edge is huge. I probably can't do this topic justice in a comment, but if you're really interested in more info, lots of info can be found spread across several articles by just googling Windows+10+security.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by Can_Not »

xpaulbettsx wrote: post #229
Can_Not wrote: post #221

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Windows 7 support is a critical feature of slack for me. Every version of Windows after 7 is increasingly some kind of year 2000 era flip phone OS/dark age of computers BS. It's 10 steps forward, 1000 steps back. So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often?

> So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often? Windows 7 doesn't have a notifications / toast API which means we have to implement notifications ourselves. It also lets you turn off desktop composition and throw the UI into a completely different rendering path, which Electron doesn't s…

For support and/or programming (in the context of slack), is Linux generally better or worse than windows 8/10?

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Post by xpaulbettsx »

Can_Not wrote: post #238
xpaulbettsx wrote: post #229

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> So what exactly do windows 7 users call in about? Is that because there is some major API difference between 7 and 8 or is does it represent people who buy computers less often? Windows 7 doesn't have a notifications / toast API which means we have to implement notifications ourselves. It also lets you turn off desktop composition and throw the UI into a completely different rendering path, which Electron doesn't s…

For support and/or programming (in the context of slack), is Linux generally better or worse than windows 8/10?

Linux is a mixed bag - while it's actually way easier to support in general and people write in with way more detailed actionable feedback, it also has its fair share of glitches, especially around video hardware.

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Post by deadcast »

passcod wrote: post #236
deadcast wrote: post #169

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Haha actually that is the case! I need to use Unity and the latest Linux build[1] doesn't yet have all of the features like in the latest version 5.3.3 for Windows/OSX. It's still experimental but now that I think of it... I might not need all of the features in the latest release, hmmm. Also I need Remote Desktop Connection to do some contract work. I know other non-Windows remote desktop applications exist but I'm…

The rdesktop (and GUI frontends) Remote Desktop client on Linux is perfect for this. Supports the Windows RDP protocol. All you need is to find the raw connection data (if they don't give it to you, e.g. if they use "remote desktop connection files"). We have various Windows servers at work yet no developer uses Windows (it's all OS X and Linux).

Whoa very cool! Never heard of rdesktop before but I'll definitely check it out. Thanks!
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