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Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by vinceguidry »

sridca wrote: post #227
vinceguidry wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a better explanation. She was talking about the kinds of stuff she was into, and didn't sense that you were into the same things. Then when you said you did do stuff like that, she was interested because you had more in common. She didn't have an ego, you did. If you didn't, you guys could have talked all about the particulars of the stories she was telling, interspersing with similar tales from your adventure…

> She didn't have an ego, you did. Why do you defend her? She was clearly being stereotypical of computer programmers; in her own words - "Tell me something about yourself...what adventures have you done? Or do you just do some programming stuff" (the keyword here is "just" ... as if computer programming is not an adventure).

So what if she was? He just let her talk for 10-15 minutes, contributing little. If I were her, I'd be a little annoyed too. He had all this time to participate, why didn't he?

I'm sorry, but I'm way more inclined to think that it was him that was lacking in social adroitness than that she was so unbelievably insulting that he couldn't even talk to her.

I don't want to analyze it too much, in the end it's just a bad date. But I get asked stuff like that all the time, and it doesn't piss me off. Some coders really aren't very adventurous. If I was one of those coders, I wouldn't get mad either. I'd just realize she's not my type, enjoy the conversation as much as I could and move on.

Why be so quick to take offense?

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by littletimmy »

tomp wrote: post #211
littletimmy wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious - how do you find this wrong? What utopia do you live in where money does not confer power?

It's wrong because s/he assumes that men collect money to "have power over women". That's a 180 degree wrong perception of reality. Men gather money to have power over other men ! By being the "best man" (rockstar, CEO, famous actor, mafia boss, most popular kid in high school, a prince), and having the greatest social status, you get disproportionate access to women/sex; it doesn't really matter if it's money that g…

I think your argument presupposes that women have no say in the matter. Like you're talking about men beating other men to have "access" to women, as if that's all that's needed. I personally believe that women have more agency than that, and they gravitate towards richer men. That establishes my earlier post - rich men have power over women.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by serge2k »

mpweiher wrote: post #209
peter303 wrote: post #22

Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate femal…

> that males generally dont marry up Huh? It's females that generally insist on marrying up, ergo insist on not marrying down. Males are much less picky in this regard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy Or just go to any dating site that allows visible income preferences.

If (straight) females aren't marrying down then (straight) males aren't going marry up.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by sendos »

casca wrote: post #57

If anyone wants to improve the usability, data files are: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-... http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair...

I sorted the data by which occupation marries within the same occupation the most:

     13.9%    Physicians and Surgeons
     10.7%    Textile Winding, Twisting, and Drawing Out Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders
     10.1%    none
      9.7%    Farmers, Ranchers, and Other Agricultural Managers
      9.7%    Lawyers, and judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers
      9.5%    Miscellaneous Personal Appearance Workers
      9.3%    Veterinarians
      8.8%    Dentists
      8.5%    Miscellaneous agricultural workers including animal breeders
      8.4%    Postsecondary Teachers
      7.6%    Software Developers, Applications and Systems Software
      7.6%    Health Diagnosing and Treating Practitioners, All Other
      7.5%    Optometrists
      7.3%    Chiropractors
      7.2%    Pharmacists
      6.7%    Elementary and Middle School Teachers
      6.4%    Food Service Managers
      6.2%    Agricultural and Food Scientists
      6.1%    Physical Therapists
      6.1%    Gaming Services Workers
      6.0%    Upholsterers
      5.9%    Communications Equipment Operators, All Other
      5.8%    Air Traffic Controllers and Airfield Operations Specialists
      5.8%    Physical Scientists, All Other
      5.8%    Nurse Anesthetists
      5.5%    Chief executives and legislators
      5.5%    Real Estate Brokers and Sales Agents
      5.4%    Clergy
      5.2%    Marine Engineers and Naval Architects
      5.0%    Psychologists
      4.9%    Lodging Managers
      4.8%    First-Line Supervisors of Retail Sales Workers
      4.7%    Miscellaneous Managers, Including Funeral Service Managers and Postmasters and Mail Superintendents
      4.7%    Medical Scientists, and Life Scientists, All Other
      4.6%    Secondary School Teachers
      4.0%    Textile Knitting and Weaving Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders
      4.0%    Podiatrists
      4.0%    News Analysts, Reporters and Correspondents
      4.0%    Sewing Machine Operators
      3.9%    Bailiffs, Correctional Officers, and Jailers
      3.9%    First-Line Supervisors of Personal Service Workers
      3.8%    Tailors, Dressmakers, and Sewers
      3.8%    Economists
      3.8%    Musicians, Singers, and Related Workers
      3.8%    Environmental Scientists and Geoscientists
      3.8%    Property, Real Estate, and Community Association Managers
      3.7%    Insurance Sales Agents
      3.5%    Agricultural Inspectors
      3.3%    Butchers and Other Meat, Poultry, and Fish Processing Workers
      3.2%    Morticians, Undertakers, and Funeral Directors

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by kukx »

casca wrote: post #57

If anyone wants to improve the usability, data files are: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/job-... http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/pair...

How to interpret this kind of entry (pair-count.csv):

1,1010,,,1.53E+07

where sex_sp and occ_sp is omitted. Also, how to interpret the first entry in the job-name.csv:

none,none,0,none

I'm currently inclined to simply ignore these in my analysis.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by galfarragem »

Mz wrote: post #228
EGreg wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Height for men is like weight for women. Women want taller and men want lighter. Money for men is like looks for women. Men want a wife with good looks and women want a successful man. Intelligence for men is like likability for women. I think there are a lot of parallels.

Height for men is like weight for women. Women want taller and men want lighter. No no no no no. Height for men is like age for women. A woman can lose weight if she wants a particular man, but, just like men cannot make themselves taller, women cannot make themselves younger. Also, some men like a BBW. I suspect this is much more common than women who actively prefer short men. (I have been a BBW. Some men really, r…

Deal breakers: intelligence level very far from mine, politics and ethics very far from mine.

Turn offs: taller then me, under average looks, older then me, personal life more complicated than mine.

Edited -- male point of view for a potential wife

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by sridca »

vinceguidry wrote: post #231
sridca wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She didn't have an ego, you did. Why do you defend her? She was clearly being stereotypical of computer programmers; in her own words - "Tell me something about yourself...what adventures have you done? Or do you just do some programming stuff" (the keyword here is "just" ... as if computer programming is not an adventure).

So what if she was? He just let her talk for 10-15 minutes, contributing little. If I were her, I'd be a little annoyed too. He had all this time to participate, why didn't he? I'm sorry, but I'm way more inclined to think that it was him that was lacking in social adroitness than that she was so unbelievably insulting that he couldn't even talk to her. I don't want to analyze it too much, in the end it's just a bad…

> So what if she was?

It means that for a man who wants "practical, non-judgemental girls," the decision to call it quits is much easier in regards to a girl possessing an ego that is stereotypically judgemental of his identity in such a demonstrable fashion of her "trying to figure out how she was better than [him]....IN EVERY FACET OF LIFE".

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by efaref »

auntyJemima wrote: post #74
peter303 wrote: post #22

Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then. One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate femal…

Males generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle-…

> Males generally dont marry up?

It's the politically correct way of saying women don't marry down.

Cf. the works of the great poet of our times, K. West.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by LordKano »

colmvp wrote: post #205
MicroBerto wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you'll find some males that "marry up", but the data proves what many of us have known forever - as a man, you should strive to be elite in something , preferably something useful and sexually attractive. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Where this is all going to blow up in society is the fact that women are now better-educated, and will soon make more money than their male counterparts, wh…

Regarding your point about black women: At least in North America, Black females, like Asian men, have a harder time in the dating scene partially due to their gender/ethnicity combination. Both sets endure media representation and stereotypes that play against their sexual desirability. I'm sure people here will profess that they are immune to any images cultivated by the media and I'm not going to discount their ex…

I have seen and experienced this, from the inside.

I'm an educated black man (MS Degree) with a good job (Fortune 500 company) and my female relatives, many of whom are also educated and successful have difficulty with establishing and maintaining relationships.

Obviously not all, but many black women have unrealistic expectations. As other have already pointed out, women are adverse to marrying "down" so when a woman reaches a certain level of education/career advancement, it's extremely difficult to find a mate that meets her criteria. Lists of things, like Over 6 feet tall, lots of muscles, Bachelor's degree or higher, Churchgoing Christian, no children, good relationship with his mother, not domineering but not too passive, earning at least 6 figures and other wish-list type stuff. There are women who won't give a man the time of day unless he meets all of them. They, as you can well imagine, are lonely.

There are cultural taboos against black women becoming romantically involved with non black or hispanic men. I have only personally known one black woman who was involved with an asian man(his family came here from Vietnam and he grew up in "the 'hood") and only a few who are involved with white men.

I have never been in a relationship with a black woman. A date here and there. A fling here and there but never a relationship. Where I live, a video game playing, Dungeons and Dragons fan, comic book collecting, politically active guy doesn't tend to get much romantic interest from black women. Then, there's also the phenomenon of the black women who don't want anything to do with you getting upset because you're dating outside of the race.

I have also noticed that as we approach and pass 40 years of age, these women with their stratospheric standards are forced to carry on alone and bitter or drop their standards. Some of them get rid of them entirely just to get a man. I have even heard a fair bit of professional women getting involved with street dudes.

I guess my overall point is issues black women face are very different and unique to what Hispanic/White/Asian women face.

Agreed. Some of the issues are cultural, some are societal and some are of their own making.

Re: Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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Post by [deleted] »

galfarragem wrote: post #236
Mz wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Height for men is like weight for women. Women want taller and men want lighter. No no no no no. Height for men is like age for women. A woman can lose weight if she wants a particular man, but, just like men cannot make themselves taller, women cannot make themselves younger. Also, some men like a BBW. I suspect this is much more common than women who actively prefer short men. (I have been a BBW. Some men really, r…

Deal breakers: intelligence level very far from mine, politics and ethics very far from mine. Turn offs: taller then me, under average looks, older then me, personal life more complicated than mine. Edited -- male point of view for a potential wife

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