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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by barrkel »

Bud wrote: post #207
Joeri wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus. IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won. Even in the windows vs mac contest windows XP was a much better OS than the contemporary Mac OS, and arguably the best desktop OS of its day. Don't get me wrong. Microsoft software was crap…

I can agree with you about Word and Excel. I personally disagree about Netscape 4 versus IE 5, and I can remember both. You assertion about XP being better than Mac OS X, however, is hilarious. If that's true, why did XP die, and why was Mac OS X so radically more secure than Windows for the last 15 years running? Why was it more stable? Why did it work better? Why did it have a shockingly better UI? XP was crap and…

Netscape crashed way more often than IE. That's what got me to switch.

OS X was a worse platform because it didn't support much software - games in particular. XP was extremely solid, coming after ME in the consumer space (I had switched to W2K after 98, I took until SP2 before I switched).

So no, I don't agree with you. Even today, I think Windows is a better gaming platform and Linux a much better dev platform - OS X is insufficiently similar to Linux to work well when Linux is used in production.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by dharma1 »

ascorbic wrote: post #214
dharma1 wrote: post #196

UK here. Paternity leave is 2 weeks off - half of that unpaid. It's a disgrace. https://www.gov.uk/paternity-pay-leave/overview

You can also share up to 52 weeks with the other parent, paid (though not very much). https://www.gov.uk/shared-parental-leave-and-pay

Yeah, £140/week, paid by the government instead of employer. Pretty close to being unpaid leave

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by plicense »

wobbleblob wrote: post #174
acangiano wrote: post #7

This is great. It sends the message that no matter who you are, prioritizing family over business is an option, especially when a newborn has arrived. I'm also willing to bet that it's good for business. An employee with better relationships at home is more likely to be productive at work in the long term.

What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

Yeah, if he had waned to make money he had plenty of opportunities before Facebook even went public. He has a vision and he is executing it in all his power, never worrying about how much he earns.

This reminds of something Vij Rajarajan(big boss in MSFT) told about - "I have realized almost everything in life is a paradox. If you want to grow in your current role you might think you have to not help out others and worry only about your job but in reality you grow by helping out others".

I think this also applies to Mark Zuckeberg - if he had wanted to make money the company would not have grown so much. He focused on the vision and now he has made money.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by tajen »

loceng wrote: post #217
keerthiko wrote: post #187

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Unlike Microsoft was to Bill Gates, Facebook seems to embody Mark's lifelong ideologies (connecting everyone in the world). He has often said he doesn't see himself doing anything with his life other than building the future of Facebook, just in a different form if Facebook hadn't taken off. On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at, when what h…

Mark Zuckerberg hit the lottery by fucking over the people who hired him, too; his careless ethics allowing him to "win the lottery." Not going to say more about this because the rabbit hole goes pretty deep when I've tried to get into discussion about this on fairness and the way people try to justify it is remarkable.

The W brothers? Well finding a dev is a big problem for non-technical cofounders too. Also, I've already had my competitor trying to hire me for a small project and make me sign a non-competing agreement while claiming there was no problem. At that level of competiton, you can't be that naive.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by russgray »

Bud wrote: post #207
Joeri wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus. IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won. Even in the windows vs mac contest windows XP was a much better OS than the contemporary Mac OS, and arguably the best desktop OS of its day. Don't get me wrong. Microsoft software was crap…

I can agree with you about Word and Excel. I personally disagree about Netscape 4 versus IE 5, and I can remember both. You assertion about XP being better than Mac OS X, however, is hilarious. If that's true, why did XP die, and why was Mac OS X so radically more secure than Windows for the last 15 years running? Why was it more stable? Why did it work better? Why did it have a shockingly better UI? XP was crap and…

XP came out the same year as 10.0, which was rubbish. OS X wasn't really worthwhile until 10.3.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by 1stop »

russgray wrote: post #235
Bud wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can agree with you about Word and Excel. I personally disagree about Netscape 4 versus IE 5, and I can remember both. You assertion about XP being better than Mac OS X, however, is hilarious. If that's true, why did XP die, and why was Mac OS X so radically more secure than Windows for the last 15 years running? Why was it more stable? Why did it work better? Why did it have a shockingly better UI? XP was crap and…

XP came out the same year as 10.0, which was rubbish. OS X wasn't really worthwhile until 10.3.

Didn't XP only get decent after a bunch of service packs? ... is that not the same thing as 10.3?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by wobbleblob »

incepted wrote: post #179
wobbleblob wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

> If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website Probably why you're not.

Exactly what I said in the last sentence of my post. Thank you for your contribution though.

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Post by EdiX »

Joeri wrote: post #202
ekianjo wrote: post #189

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> On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at Won the lottery, not really. Bill Gates was a harsh businessman who relentlessly fought to kill off competition by all means possible - it was not by mistake that Microsoft became what it is. And, I'd dare say that it has very little correlation with how "good" he/they were at all. Most Microsoft softw…

Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus. IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won. Even in the windows vs mac contest windows XP was a much better OS than the contemporary Mac OS, and arguably the best desktop OS of its day. Don't get me wrong. Microsoft software was crap…

>Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'.

it wasn't but...

>Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus

Excel and Word won by virtue of being bundled and thus cheaper than buying Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect separately.

>IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won

No, because the battle was won by IE 4, by being part of Windows 95.

>Even in the windows vs mac contest windows XP was a much better OS than the contemporary Mac OS, and arguably the best desktop OS of its day.

I don't think that Windows XP (august 2001) was better than Mac OS X (march 2001), Be OS (march 1998) or Linux distributions that were current at that time. But it doesn't matter because at that point Microsoft had complete domination of the PC market, something they got from a deal with IBM.

What Bill Gates was good at was identifying threats early and crushing them before they got too big.

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Post by jamesblonde »

prlambert wrote: post #182
robotresearcher wrote: post #81

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I hope the environment is such that people feel they can use it without penalty. Anyone have experience?

Yes this is normal. I work at Twitter and new fathers taking multi-month paternity is very common. Lots of friends at Google and believe it's the same there.

Here in Sweden 6 months off for dads is the standard. Work survives without us, imagine that.
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