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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Only because people like you seem to think it's such a big deal. If people were to look at it as it is and comprehend the scope of the matter, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

I don't agree. There's a stark difference between a car accident and a fellow human being pumping rounds into people in your local restaurant. The other driver is not trying to kill you typically.

Then the relevant detail to compare to would be the number of other violent crimes that occur on a far too regular basis.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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post #137

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Or could it be that they are just completely desperate brainwashed youth rejected by society? Makes more sense.

Makes more sense. To whom - you? Based on what? Logic? You've made no argument. Based on an untested model of psychology bouncing around in your head?

To anybody with basic reasoning capabilities. There are millions of Muslims in France. You could try to make it look like Islam is the cause of all this, but that would be hard to prove.

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#234
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What can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?

Unfortunately tech has made it easier for terrorism to recruit more terrorists, spread hateful messages and send secure encrypted messages across the world to plan attacks like this.

I am so saddened by this situation with a powerful IS which wants to remove our freedom and change the world into an extreme muslim one.

We must remember not to spread hate towards all the peaceful muslims.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#235

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It's sad to see two comments in this thread in that vein already. Being a Muslim or not has nothing to do with it.

A French news channel, BFMTV, reported that an attacker shouted Allahu akbar.

I don't doubt that. But that still does not mean that being a Muslim has anything to do with it. In fact, even if it turns out that all of the attackers were Muslims then that still holds true. How that works I'll leave as an exercise for you to work out but let's just say that the basis of a solution to this whole problem is somewhere in there and that I strongly believe that it starts with a complete lack of generalizations and a focus on people as individuals rather than as groups with shared traits. As long as that step isn't taken we will - very unfortunately - probably see more of this.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#236
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Next thing you know, a new and even more totally total mass surveillance law is passed. (Obviously, attacks will continue to happen from time to time.)

It is necessary.

An attack of this size and coordination was without a doubt electronically communicated. We can't possibly infiltrate every group of radicals with informants. And they are not going to stop.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#237

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

If it were universally ignored, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

Ignoring it would also destroy the social fabric.

A scene from Brazil that explores this idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4KFNhxibec

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#238

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And wholesale US intelligence failed also, either that or they kept the intelligence to themselves.

Possibly we knew but couldn't risk warning DGSE and compromising our sources.

which is sickening, and i would also question the use of these sources, will they only be placed at risk if the target is the US, or perhaps only when it is US VIPs on US soil. What if they are never to be at risk? Where is their value?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#239
post #98

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Please, wars of religions are from the 16th century [1]. In 2015, it's probably more linked with the foreign affairs and military operations. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

If there were no Muslims, there would be almost no terror attacks. Conversely, if there were more Muslims, there would be more terror attacks.

As we've told you before, you can't conduct religious flamewars on Hacker News.

We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines after many requests to stop.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

#240

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

If it were universally ignored, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

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