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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jacquesm »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

It's sad to see two comments in this thread in that vein already. Being a Muslim or not has nothing to do with it.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by flyinglizard »

fukusa wrote: post #108
flyinglizard wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tech useful for preventing these situations is exactly the kind that's frowned upon in civil liberties circles.

So why didn't the NSA report this suspicious activity to the French authorities?

Who said they haven't and who said such acts weren't foiled by intelligence agencies before?

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by tosseraccount »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

A different take ... from 1899 ...

"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-Winston Churchill, from "The River War"

source : http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/churchillislam.asp

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by [deleted] »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by wavefunction »

uhtred wrote: post #128
rdl wrote: post #34

What can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?

Twitter could destroy any accounts that belong to or sympathise with organisations like ISIS. Why do they allow those cretins to have a voice?

Presumably because it's easier to track the contacts made between these sorts of organizations and those who sympathize with them.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by d4rkph1b3r »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

Uh huh. Must be why America is constantly terrorized by mass killings committed by Hispanic immigrants or poverty stricken blacks.

I'm sorry but you can't just say "this is the inevitable outcome of marginalization". There are plenty of marginalized groups that choose not to commit mass murder in the name of justice.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jewbacca »

brk wrote: post #90
humble_dev wrote: post #20

How this is related to tech.. Is HN best place to talk about it?

Yes, HN has become one of the best places to talk about things like this. Reddit discussions become overrun with useless comments. Stupid memes, puns, and just other irrelevant drivel. Many of the mainstream news outlets have lagging facts, horrible commenting (if any) and biased/washed/slanted reporting. HN thoroughly discourages both worthless commenting and links to worthless news sources. For me personally, I muc…

Top comments in the primary Reddit thread at the time of this post (using 'top' sorting): https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3sphue/shootings...

1. Updated chronology of news with source links

2. Practically important publicization of #porteouverte effort

3. Updated chronology of news as experienced by Parisian local

4. First-person account of person who was present at theatre shooting

5. ... content-light junk starts. More than halfway down the page.

There's interesting commentary in this HN thread that I'm not seeing upvoted to visibility on Reddit, so it is valuable. But there is a ton of uniquely valuable stuff on the Reddit thread, and that is consistently the case in these live serious news situations.

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And 10 minutes after I posted this, the top comment on this very HN thread and all its replies are all empty sentiment. "vive la france", "hearts go out", "be safe", etc.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by makomk »

barney54 wrote: post #136
deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

What are you responding to? Did someone on HN write that about Muslims?

One of the first HN comments on this was "I bet attacks like these will increase in the years ahead, since France will become 10.9% Muslim by 2050."

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by ju-st »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

It is imho already absolutely ridiculous that everyone here is already acusing French muslims or refugees.
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