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The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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Post by PopeOfNope »

wpietri wrote: post #205
PopeOfNope wrote: post #149

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You realize people are going to do what people are going to do. The only thing you can really control is yourself and your reactions to things. I don't watch TV, read newspapers, watch football games, browse the web without an ad blocker, or live in a city. I haven't seen an ad in years. When I do venture into the city, I recognize that I must have seen ads, but I can't recall what any of them were; I'm too busy thin…

If people were going to do what they were going to do, then advertising wouldn't exist. And you wouldn't be commenting here. Influence matters. As for your advice to focus on one's self, maybe you should try taking it.

I'm commenting here for the lulz. Why are you?

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Post by SolarUpNote »

greggman wrote: post #160
caseysoftware wrote: post #57

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That's why we haven't had anyone start smoking in decades.. Soda sales are down but obesity is still up, so the calories are coming from somewhere. If you believe the other common stories, we're drinking the calories. I'd wager they come from the rise of coffee-based beverages - which would not be considered soda - but I don't have data to back that up.

I'm confused about your comment on smoking? Are you saying because of labelling people aren't smoking? I ask because for example Singapore has extremely harsh labeling and yet they've seen an increase recently. Sorry if I mis-understood your point. https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parlia... Warning!! THESE LABELS ARE GROSS!!! https://www.google.es/search?q=singapore+cigarettes+labels&t...

I'd be amazed if warning labels had any affect at all. The real factor is the price.

The last time I smoked, a pack of cigarettes cost about $2.50. Now it's over $7.

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Post by tdkl »

nnd wrote: post #203
tdkl wrote: post #71

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Regarding Kellogg's , they also started the whole "Breakfast is healthy and most important meal in the morning" BS. Since I've started intermittent fasting 16/8 (from 20.00 to 12.00) I've been loosing fat easily.

I didn't know someone does this on purpose. I just have a low appetite in the late evening and the morning, so I've been doing this for a few years now. I heard that you you want to lose fat, you need to speed up your metabolism which means eat more often. I wonder how this works with this kind of diet.

> I heard that you you want to lose fat, you need to speed up your metabolism which means eat more often.

That's nonsense and debunked in the link I pasted below.

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Post by yareally »

gaius wrote: post #222
chipsy wrote: post #210

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Saturated fats make carbs digest more quickly. For example, if I have oatmeal I can go to bed immediately because it's low GI. But if I add a spoon of peanut butter then my heart will get a little bit contentuous and keep me awake. As well, adding a new substance introduces the potential of allergens. I have a dairy sensitivity. If I have a grande latte from Starbucks I'll spend the next hour in a haze. I can have it…

Peanut butter in porridge you say, I shall have to try this! Add some honey and a banana too and you could call it "Elvis porridge".

Brown sugar + cinnamon is also quite good in Oatmeal with some fruit on top.

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Post by takee »

grogenaut wrote: post #179
wpietri wrote: post #76

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And I expect juice drinks are part of it as well. Same high levels of sugar and low levels of fiber. The calories aren't as empty, but they're still much easier to consume than whole fruit.

I've got a cold/sore throat and when I do I drink a bunch of OJ. I don't normally drink OJ so I get small windows into it. Every time I get it I notice less and less pulp in it. Today there were tons of "NO PULP" oj out there, even tropicana 50, which is watered and filtered oj. These things are essentially natural koolaid.

I am not sure if the consumers really like and demand no pulp OJ or if it's one of those fads that are being pushed onto the consumers by the big brands. I for one prefer high pulp OJ any day, not for the fiber, but because it makes the juice taste so much better and fruitier. Without the pulp, the juice might as well be made from artificial flavors.

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Post by jonnathanson »

greggman wrote: post #161
_delirium wrote: post #102

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Good point, the source of calories isn't the same mix, even though the latte has more total calories (200 calories/12oz, vs. 140). Though I was thinking of the caramel latte rather than macchiato, which is a bit closer, at 27g of sugar: http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/espresso/flavored-latte... . And since it's autumn, it's now time for their signature seasonal drink, the pumpkin spice latte, 300 calories and 39…

Another issue is size. In Europe or at least at many of the places I've been lately the sizes they have at Starbucks USA do not exist. A latte for example in Paris or Barcelona is no more than ~6oz or so, maybe less whereas Starbucks USA they start at 8oz and go up to 24oz. I have not visited a Starbucks here to see the sizes. Every coke I've ordered has come in a 8oz bottle as well unlike the unlimited refills and o…

There is an Internet meme going around that purports to show a German serving size one step larger than extra-lage, called "American." I have no idea if this is real or not. Can any German/European HNers confirm or deny?

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Post by ufmace »

hippich wrote: post #61
klenwell wrote: post #25

When Mr. Nutter was fighting the soda tax battle, he kept a bottle of Mountain Dew and a container with 17 teaspoons of sugar — the amount in the bottle — on the table in the center of his office. It was a good “conversation piece,” he said, about the surprising number of calories in a typical soda. I think this is key. Better information and transparency is having an effect. I'm glad to hear we're approaching a poin…

I hope people will also lay down sugar amount of apple, bagel, etc food next to these coke/dew/etc bottles of soda drinks. =) Thing is - most of products in US has label stating clearly amount of calories and major contributors. It is SUPER easy to find approximate amount to which you need to stick. But people still over do it two/three/more times. As much as I hate it, I think only high food costs will work. Problem…

Not a nutrition expert, but I'm given to understand that the form of the sugar matters as much as the amount. The sugar in an actual apple is apparently bound up in fibers or something, so basically it takes time for your body to process it and get it into the bloodstream. When you turn that apple into apple juice, even if it's entirely natural, you've freed the sugar to be absorbed by your body much faster.

That speed of absorption makes the difference - your body doesn't know what to do with so much sugar at once, so it processes it into fat and other things. Let it out more slowly, and it can actually use most of it for energy.

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Post by chris_wot »

shrikant wrote: post #172
chris_wot wrote: post #152

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Are obesity rates increasing? I'd like to see your source. Same with smoking rates.

Obesity rates for the USA: http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistic... Percentages of adults within these categories [Overweight, Obese, Extremely obese] increased gradually until the late 1970s, at which point they began to climb more quickly, leveling off somewhat around 2000. (Scroll down to the section titled "Trends in Overweight and Obesity among Adults, United States, 1962–2010")

So not really increasing then.

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Post by patrickaljord »

seizethecheese wrote: post #176
patrickaljord wrote: post #163

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Not in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and probably Colombia. People there massively drink boiled tap water.

I just got back from Peru, everybody was drinking bottled water and boiling water for cooking. I'm sure this is a matter of preference.

You were probably with middle class people (lived there for 5 years, wife's from there).

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Post by capisce »

grogenaut wrote: post #179
wpietri wrote: post #76

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And I expect juice drinks are part of it as well. Same high levels of sugar and low levels of fiber. The calories aren't as empty, but they're still much easier to consume than whole fruit.

I've got a cold/sore throat and when I do I drink a bunch of OJ. I don't normally drink OJ so I get small windows into it. Every time I get it I notice less and less pulp in it. Today there were tons of "NO PULP" oj out there, even tropicana 50, which is watered and filtered oj. These things are essentially natural koolaid.

I'd recommend just eating some C vitamin pills instead. At least eat oranges directly instead of drinking juice.
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