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Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by perishabledave »

omaranto wrote: post #33
gvb wrote: post #15

I read the article hoping for something insightful, but when I read the paragraph ...a half-dozen tabs that auto-open on launch thanks to the dozens of extensions I've accumulated over the years[...] I had to stop and say "wait, what?" To leverage his analogy that it is like coming home to a new house to find that most of your stuff is already there, it is like not cleaning your house and not taking out the trash for…

Well, as one piece of anecdotal evidence: I only use one browser extension (Vimium on Chrome, VimFx on Firefox) and still find Firefox significantly faster than Chrome. Also, I like using the same browser on my Android tablet as on my laptop and websites that use MathJax render incorrectly on Android Chrome (these sites render perfectly well on Android Firefox and on both desktop Firefox and desktop Chrome). So I'd p…

There is a Vimium equivalent for Firefox?! I'm sold!

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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omaranto wrote: post #33
gvb wrote: post #15

I read the article hoping for something insightful, but when I read the paragraph ...a half-dozen tabs that auto-open on launch thanks to the dozens of extensions I've accumulated over the years[...] I had to stop and say "wait, what?" To leverage his analogy that it is like coming home to a new house to find that most of your stuff is already there, it is like not cleaning your house and not taking out the trash for…

Well, as one piece of anecdotal evidence: I only use one browser extension (Vimium on Chrome, VimFx on Firefox) and still find Firefox significantly faster than Chrome. Also, I like using the same browser on my Android tablet as on my laptop and websites that use MathJax render incorrectly on Android Chrome (these sites render perfectly well on Android Firefox and on both desktop Firefox and desktop Chrome). So I'd p…

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Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by Morphling »

colin_jack wrote: post #10
lisa_henderson wrote: post #2

This has been exactly my experience. I was an early convert to Chrome, and I loved how fast it was, but now I find it slow and buggy. There are some partial workarounds: Chrome does a cache lookup on your history when you type, so if you delete your history, then you get a speed bump. But I'm annoyed that I have to erase my history. If I never erase my history, Chrome gets very slow after a few months of history pili…

Its been my recent experience too, I keep a lot of tabs open and began to notice Chrome was filling up my memory. Very strange that Google let the situation get so bad. Mind you I find the Chrome developer tools far more powerful and intuitive than those in Firefox which stops me moving entirely.

I hear quite a few people talking how they have 30-50 tabs open, how do people manage something like that? And why would anyone need so many simultaneous tabs open?

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by pknerd »

juliangregorian wrote: post #113
atesti wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you loose data that way? And I agree 100% with you!

I also lost data by this: I was trying to disable browser profiles but inadvertently deleted the cloud portion of my account that stored all my bookmarks. I'm a goddamn software developer, software doesn't usually make me feel stupid. So congrats to Google on that I guess...

ThankGod I rather use EverNote Chrome extension to save Bookmarks

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by oliv__ »

This is probably me being my annoying self but one thing I absolutely cannot stand on Chrome are those disgusting grey circled arrows that show up whenever you swipe left or right on the trackpad to go forward or backward in history.

That's enough for me to stick with Firefox.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by vxNsr »

emodendroket wrote: post #193
FilterJoe wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is using many open tabs with Chrome. If you use no more than 3 or 4 tabs, Chrome is generally fine. If you use more than that, Firefox has some built-in features to help with tabs such as delayed tab loading and tab grouping. It also has more and better extensions for helping with multiple tabs. Furthermore, it doesn't launch a new process for each tab. In a browser comparison I wrote last month, I includ…

I imagine this has something to do with the sandboxing in Chrome that prevents one tab from causing the entire browser to crash, no?

I don't know, I've had one tab cause other tabs to crash all the time, which is something that confused me considering the supposed isolation that should be happening.

edit: not sure why I've been dv, but I'd like to add that one thing I've noticed is that this will usually happen when I open links in a new tab, somehow all those tabs become linked and if one becomes unresponsive they all do. For those who claim I should stop opening links in new tabs, I say: welcome to 2004, this is the whole purpose of tabbed browsing. If you;d like to try to reproduce this: go to facebook and open the first ten links in your newsfeed in new tabs (either by middle clicking, ctrl+click, or context menu) I don't normally do more than one or two at a time but ten will force the issue. then go to another tab that isn't connect to those other 11 it'll work fine while those 11 will look like they're on pause.

Note: I haven't tested this in other browsers.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by barrkel »

gknoy wrote: post #197
zer0defex wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I use Firefox specifically because it allows you to set history to NEVER be remembered. Really wish Safari did the same...

Why not just always open Incognito windows?

Bookmarks, extensions etc. are all missing in Incognito windows.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by smt88 »

bmelton wrote: post #159
smt88 wrote: post #130

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He's part of the rule that tech writers aren't technical people and often write about things they don't understand. As some famous person recently said, there's a huge amount of "intellectual dishonesty" in tech journalism.

To spin it more positively, he and his ilk more generally represent our users than more "in the know" tech-journalists. I think this is a rough article, but likely one that either many users will empathize with, so the overarching idea that browsers should be doing something to prevent bloat is probably a sound one.

I guess I see journalism the old-fashioned way: you're not an expert on everything, but you do research and distill the concepts for regular readers.

This guy clearly didn't do research. Yes, Chrome uses a massive amount of memory, but that was originally a feature. Most people had way more memory than they needed at any given time, so Chrome heavily used memory to decrease processing time and therefore improve rendering speed. It also split into many processes to insulate each part of the browser from crashes and security holes.

Now that the age of SoCs/tablets/etc is upon us, people don't have as much extra memory as they did when Chrome first arrived. That may have an impact on how usable Chrome is (don't know if it's smart about "dialing down" its memory usage).

But this guy didn't mention any of that. Like a modern "journalist", he just wrote about his own anecdotal experiences without learning about the underlying concepts.

Re: Fuck It, I'm Going Back to Firefox

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Post by frade33 »

this has been the case with all of us, and what is even worse, the google has developed a steady habit of screwing things up, and it does not even consider the risks involved., the risks here being the user adoption/retention/abandonment. cough barely anyone cares for users anyway, these days.

But from a business point of view it's dire mistake, but it's kind of outrageous too in some way, when you would promise one thing and do another.

anyway fuck users, what about the competitors, Google perhaps is the most alienated enterprise of its size anyway too. Not because they were totally unreasonable, just because google have no respect for any of them.

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