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Exciting addition, almost missed it: Scripter Extensible plug-in that can process or generate MIDI data using standard JavaScript.
The price tag really reflects that the music industry is the poorest of all creative industries (aka video, photo, 3D and web). When i think about all the genius algorithms and technologies that products like Ableton or logic Pro ship it really saddens me.
Logic has been $200 for a while. Even though Logic uses Audio Unit plugins, I don't think there is really any substitute for physical hardware. You can get this to run a project on the cheap, but it's still going to cost you $1000+ for a good mic and +600+ hardware like compressors, limiters, equalizers, monitors, and mixing boards. Plus you have to get cabling, power conditioners and cases to hold and connect everyt…
You may not, but most of the productions, from the Billboard top-100 to independent stuff, are choke full of plugins. And a lot of "physical hardware" can't be told apart when A/B with quality plugins (Waves, UAD etc).
>You can get this to run a project on the cheap, but it's still going to cost you $1000+ for a good mic and +600+ hardware like compressors, limiters, equalizers, monitors, and mixing boards. Plus you have to get cabling, power conditioners and cases to hold and connect everything. My last "Home Studio" ran me nearly $10,000; Logic was the cheapest thing I had to buy and that's when it was around $700.
If you want to record Led Zeppelin, maybe.
For a 4-piece rock band, Logic, a mixing board, a audio interface, a pair of monitors, a few mikes, stands, rack unit etc, will do it for around $3000-$4000.
And for electronic music (including hip-hop), you can just make do with Logic, an audio interface, headphones, monitors, a MIDI keyboard and one-two mikes, for around $1500 total.
The $199.99 price tag is a surprise. Could anyone speculate as to why they'd be pitching it this low, given the price of competitors products?
Logic 9 was also $199. There's also no upgrade pricing, so even though I just bought Logic 9 six months ago, the relatively low price point makes it a LOT more likely that I'll upgrade.
I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users. Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily…
They never slowed. Logic had like 9 point updates, some with impressive new features (64-bit, OSC, etc).
>Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily piece together their musical ideas from other people's sounds. The interface is dominated by the flashy new features such as the 'Drummer' and 'Drum Kit Designer' which effectively let you combine a limited set of preset drum sounds with a limited set of preset drumming styles. The result is a similar 'toy' feel to that of Garageband.
No, it's not at all. Actually you never even get to see the "Drummer" and the "Drum Kit Designer" unless you need them. The Drummer is basically nothing more than a kick ass intelligent drum plugin, like Strike (by Digidesign), Studio Drummer (NI), etc.
Logic has all the power of Logic 9 AND tons of new stuff besides. In fact, for recording, playing and adjusting your own ideas, it has more power than ever, with new instruments, new editing functions (the melodyne like thing for one), MIDI mangling, Bass amps, etc.
The "using other people sounds" is such a small part of Logic that what you write doesn't even make sense. A meager few GB library of loops, that were there always.
In fact, if anything, it's the opposite: Live was from the start touted as an easy to use app to mange loops and beats, sampled or bought. It's very core is about mangling loops and keeping them in sync. And it's mostly geared towards electronic music, where "using other people's sounds" is a very big thing. Of course it has since added MIDI and other stuff, but Logic was an is an all around DAW -- and it's the one you see in most professional studios with the exception of Pro Tools (or, sometimes, alongside PT).
I've been a long time Logic Pro user. Since the updates to Logic slowed to a trickle I've also been using Ableton Live a fair bit. I've always appreciated Logic's clean, well laid out interface (as opposed to say, Cubase) and its general sense of respect for the intelligence of its users. Unfortunately it seems Apple has gone in the direction of Garageband-ifiyng Logic; pushing it towards amateurs who want to easily…
Your comment is a bit like free jazz: it's all very impressive on the surface, but it doesn't really mean anything and ultimately one feels like it was just an exercise in ego massage. Logic has long had a home in the 'pro' world at the songwriting and demo production stage. You'll be hard-pressed to find an engineer in a commercial studio doing tracking or mixing in anything other than Pro Tools (though they certain…
In the US, maybe. In Europe Cubase and Logic are very prominent in studios.
And even in the US studios, Logic is used a lot alonside Pro Tools, for it's MIDI editing.
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Your comment is a bit like free jazz: it's all very impressive on the surface, but it doesn't really mean anything and ultimately one feels like it was just an exercise in ego massage. Logic has long had a home in the 'pro' world at the songwriting and demo production stage. You'll be hard-pressed to find an engineer in a commercial studio doing tracking or mixing in anything other than Pro Tools (though they certain…
Your comment is a bit like free jazz: it's all very impressive on the surface, but it doesn't really mean anything and ultimately one feels like it was just an exercise in ego massage. all that should matter is whether the new features are meaningful to you, and whether it breaks anything you need at present. It's all too rare that a person's conclusion directly contradicts their own thesis.
Checking if the new features matter to you, and your workflow is not "ego massage".
It's simply being honest about your needs and pragmatic.
The "ego massage" which the parent complaints about is a different thing, namely the: "I'm so pro, but Apple made it easier for amateurs, not 1337 like me, this sucks" kind of drivel.
Notice there was nothing about how it hampers HIS workflow, only high level, zero-content, judgements about it being easier for amateurs, the Drummer feature being toy like, the Garageband-pro meme, etc.
Not to mention that from the whole comment, one can easily deduce he hasn't even tried the software in person.
For a company that just threw out skeuomorphism as a design principle, the amount of drumkit, pedal, amp and mixing deck images this thing has is surprising. The pitch correction stuff is cool - I dreamed of that sort of stuff a while ago, but never made any attempt to try to work out how it'd work. I wonder how it works with voices and the like, as opposed to string instruments.
If you want flat use Ableton Live. They've been flat since before flat was cool, and it's a much better DAW IMO.
Both are very good at only somewhat related tasks. But fanboyism always sucks.
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If you play a chord into an arpeggiator, it... well, it arpeggiates it. In other words, it plays each note of the chord individually in a particular rhythm (e.g. 16th notes) in a particular pattern (e.g. up/down, up, random). Very, very common in electronic music.
Cool I had no idea, I'm about as musical as... umm, yeah i've got no analogue. Does it get scaled in specific patterns or is random ok?
The $199.99 price tag is a surprise. Could anyone speculate as to why they'd be pitching it this low, given the price of competitors products?
Probably as a hedge against people who already own Logic 9 getting annoyed that there's no upgrade price...