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Kelo vs. New London. The job of lawyers is to find loopholes. Since the entire scotus is composed of lawyers we more strongly risk having a court that chooses to sympathize and reward cleverness in finding loopholes that are technically correct according to the letter of the law. For example, myriad genetics.

I just looked up Kelo and Myriad : I don't know either case well, but I'd heard of both of them. Those cases involve really tricky stuff in the sense that there's nothing really clear in the Constitution on how to resolve the cases. So, the SCOTUS had to 'interpret'. For what they did in those two cases, I see no big threat to the US. For Kelo , my sympathies for the poor guy who owned the property that got taken awa…

Kelo: Takings clause. (Fifth amendment, "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_S...). I would not be so hasty to decide that it's not "a threat to the US". It's a big deal as to what constitutes a "public use", by and large, urban complaints over gentrification are exacerbated because cities will declare whole neighborhoods "blighted" and then turn it over to a politically connected rich guy to bulldoze and flip for wealthier tenants. One might argue the kelo case just got a lot of attention because Suzette Kelo is a white woman. Another big eminent domain abuser is Walmart, which without eminent domain would have a much much harder time building massive box stores.

Arguably eminent domain abuse is more of a big deal than NSA wiretapping, it's something that has an impact, an disproportionate impact on the unwealthy and politically marginalized, and it happens in your backyard, all the time, for example: http://reason.com/reasontv/2007/11/15/national-city

As for myriad, I happen to be against patents in general, but my point was that the myriad lawyers really did a solid job of patenting genes. Despite my objection to patenting, given that it's constiutional and legal, I disagree with the SCOTUS decision, that the PCR product (cDNA or otherwise) is actually an artificial molecule by any reasonable definition of molecule and should be allowed to be patented. More subtly, I think it is Congress' responsibility to decide whether or not genes (in the fashion of myriad's patents) should be patentable. So it's an example of crafty lawyers (myriad's lawyers) extending their de jure power (using "composition of matter" patents to de facto become "gene" patents). And then the SCOTUS comes and creates this convoluted judgement about cDNA vs PCR, and introns versus no introns, which speaks to my point about how the court (probably not deliberately) works to incentivise legal cleverness, further justifying the existence of its own profession - possibly at the expense of society's broad interest in having a simpler legal code.

Re: Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

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Yes, there are problems now, e.g., "how many people have nothing else to rely on.". But, really, the existing system has faced such problems for a long time and put in place a complicated, disorganized, collection of pieces, patchwork, to respond to it. E.g., there is the Hill-Burton hospital act where to build a hospital can get Federal money but then can't turn away patients who can't pay. So, do 'cost shifting' an…

Well I think I agree in principle that the implementation of healthcare should be left to a free market-esque system, with oversight and resourcing provided by the government. It could even be much like those "basic income" schemes being floated around here; the government pays out up to a certain cap to cover basic preventative and "major life function" care. If people want fancier doctors that's fine, but they have…

I believe you are going in the right direction.

More generally, you are correct because you are trying actually to think about it. If we think about it carefully, we might actually get something both better and quite good. E.g., along the lines you said, if some Hollywood actress wants her nose again to look like it did when she was five years old, then she can pay a top Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. If some poor guy in a ghetto has a badly swollen foot and can't even pay taxi fare to the hospital, then he gets the basic work on his foot for free. Fine. That's like a 20 second, free hand, rough sketch of a Boeing 747 -- making it fly like a real 747 is a lot of hard work yet to do.

I wish we'd done that work. I can't believe we did.

Re: Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

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I just looked up Kelo and Myriad : I don't know either case well, but I'd heard of both of them. Those cases involve really tricky stuff in the sense that there's nothing really clear in the Constitution on how to resolve the cases. So, the SCOTUS had to 'interpret'. For what they did in those two cases, I see no big threat to the US. For Kelo , my sympathies for the poor guy who owned the property that got taken awa…

Kelo: Takings clause. (Fifth amendment, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_S... ). I would not be so hasty to decide that it's not "a threat to the US". It's a big deal as to what constitutes a "public use", by and large, urban complaints over gentrification are exacerbated because cities will declare whole neighborhoods "blighted" and then turn it over to a politically connected rich guy to…

If we have many citizens being even 10% that thoughtful, then we are okay.

> Arguably eminent domain abuse is more of a big deal than NSA wiretapping,

Yes, except for what I'm concerned about, another President Nixon with an "enemies list" who wants data not just from the IRS but also the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Obamacare. Then he might become a tyrannical dictator.

In the 'normal course of events', with the NSA getting even a grade of C in protecting the data they have, you may be correct that Kelo is of more concern.

Apparently for now, so far, all that data the NSA has gotten has not actually caused much in real problems to our democracy. And I can believe the claims that we're talking only a few thousand people in the US individually 'investigated' via that NSA data. And I can believe that on a good day General Alexander really does do the right things for the US and, really, is a significant aid to US national security.

Still, there's the Fourth Amendment and the chance of another Nixon. And there are the concerns of the founding fathers. So I believe that the NSA has been trashing the Constitution and that the SCOTUS has to correct that situation.

It might take two years for the SCOTUS to issue even their first related opinion. Really, the whole process will take time. I don't think that what the NSA has done so far is so dangerous to the US in the short term that we can't afford the time. Still, long term, we need the Constitution intact.

Here's some 'perspective' on the threat of Kelo: Last night watched a VCR of an old PBS program 'Great Composers', this one on R. Wagner. I like classical music.

If forget about everything about Wagner except just the music, keep just the music, and ignore even the libretti, f'get about his love life, politics, connections with wacko King Ludwig, his various essays, what his wife Cosima wrote about some of what he said in his 60s, some of his professional fights, etc. and pay attention just to the music, and there only the better, say, 90% of his music, and like classical music, then he can be amazing. To me, astounding.

I want to get my start up done and then work through some of his orchestration, say, for the "Prelude" to 'Parsifal', and get an idea how the heck he did it. The orchestration for his "Magic Fire Music", from 'Die Walküre', is likely simpler, and still I'd like to work through the details.

Heck, I'd like to type in such music and have a computer-based synthetic orchestra calculate the 'performance' and then adjust the orchestration to see what was causing some of the amazing effects he did achieve.

Long ago I picked out some of his 'themes' ('leitmotifs') on violin -- they can be simple to play and still be just magic, and much that he did was not at all simple.

So, the PBS program mentioned that Wagner had an idea: In Munich is a big, long, wide street with a big statue in a big circle in the middle and the street leading up to a big parliament building or some such. So, Wagner's idea was, next to the parliament building, put up an opera house, by far the biggest ever, and have 'government and art' joined! And before his opera house he wanted another long, wide street.

One little problem: His street would require leveling much of old Munich, much as you mentioned. Well, the 'city fathers' of Munich were not quite as taken with Wagner's grand dreams (likely great to have when sitting alone at a piano and writing fantastic music about fantasies of magic swords, flying horses, magic gold rings, gods coming to earth and mating with humans, etc. but a disaster if applied to level much of Munich) and turned down Wagner's dreams. So later a much more reasonable opera house was built for Wagner's music in Bayreuth!

Wagner's music was a good start on much of the music of Hollywood of the past 80 years or so, e.g., Max Steiner's music for 'King Kong'. So, Wagner's music has had an impact even without leveling much of Munich!

Generally, if the city fathers of Munich can turn down Wagner, and maybe also King Ludwig, then generally US city fathers will be somewhat reluctant to level large parts of their cities, Kelo decision or not!

Re: Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

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Ive tried to stop myself from forming opinions of the residents of other countries by the actions and rhetoric of their political leaders, whether elected or otherwise. I would hope others do the same and don't believe the actions of DC to be anything more than an exaggerated and often inaccurate caricature of the American people.

I've quickly changed my mind about this sort of thinking. It's a nice little "get out of jail free" card for everyone. We should be held responsible for our government's actions, at least to some degree (especially in a democracy). How many of us really sacrifice significant resources and time to causes that would make the country/world better? How many here spend more at the bar than they do in charity every month?…

I can see your point, but at the same time I have to look at the situation most people are in.

Sometimes people are truly in the minority, say for instance a gay man in Jamaica. He could essentially sacrifice his life to try to move the needle on his countries tolerance level, or he could be discrete and live his life. I'll be the first to cheer on the former, but I don't believe that its my place to judge the latter for inaction.

I don't believe that its right to hold people responsible for their governments actions while much of the world lacks freedom of movement, and those in power have nearly all the tools at their disposal to hold onto that power.

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Kelo: Takings clause. (Fifth amendment, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_S... ). I would not be so hasty to decide that it's not "a threat to the US". It's a big deal as to what constitutes a "public use", by and large, urban complaints over gentrification are exacerbated because cities will declare whole neighborhoods "blighted" and then turn it over to a politically connected rich guy to…

If we have many citizens being even 10% that thoughtful, then we are okay. > Arguably eminent domain abuse is more of a big deal than NSA wiretapping, Yes, except for what I'm concerned about, another President Nixon with an "enemies list" who wants data not just from the IRS but also the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Obamacare. Then he might become a tyrannical dictator. In the 'normal course of events', with the NSA getting e…

I think that your cross-cultural analysis is not borne out by the facts.

The university of chicago, my alma mater, is very guilty of converting hyde park through heavy handed use of eminent domain.

There's this: http://battleforbrooklyn.com/

This one is also pretty crazy: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/nyregion/25columbia.html?_...

A general watchdog for eminent domain abuse: http://www.emdo.blogspot.com/

To the credit of what you say, though, 7 states have passed strong legislation against abusive eminent domain takings in the wake of Kelo, and 15 more have tightened the ship significantly, and a few state supreme courts have weighed in as well.

Re: Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

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If we have many citizens being even 10% that thoughtful, then we are okay. > Arguably eminent domain abuse is more of a big deal than NSA wiretapping, Yes, except for what I'm concerned about, another President Nixon with an "enemies list" who wants data not just from the IRS but also the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Obamacare. Then he might become a tyrannical dictator. In the 'normal course of events', with the NSA getting e…

I think that your cross-cultural analysis is not borne out by the facts. The university of chicago, my alma mater, is very guilty of converting hyde park through heavy handed use of eminent domain. There's this: http://battleforbrooklyn.com/ This one is also pretty crazy: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/nyregion/25columbia.html?_... A general watchdog for eminent domain abuse: http://www.emdo.blogspot.com/ To the c…

Wow.

There is

> The community’s efforts to have a meaningful say in its future, in the face of top down development and crony capitalism, is a universal story being played out all across the US,” said director Mike Galinsky.

Sounds like democracy, politics, or that bad part of democracy 'the tyranny of the majority'. Mike got elected and, one can believe, has tried to 'make NYC a great place'. In doing so, can believe he'd rather eat a fancy lunch with the Barclays guys than the Brooklyn neighbors of the development site. It's 'democracy' in that Mike was elected.

There's an old comment on democracy: It's intention is just to avoid bloodshed. So, fight it out at the polls as a proxy for what it would be like if the sides met with weapons and fought it out to the death. So, we've avoided bloodshed. If we haven't been really fair or achieved 'social justice', if some 'little people' got stepped on, we expected something else? But, for such tyranny of the majority, courts and a constitution can be important fixes.

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