https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
HOLY CRAP I AM OFFENDED!!!
Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you apologizing. She is an asshole who cost you your job. I really hope you are just doing it for potential employers in the future. Adria is a shitty person for getting you fired over this.
> [...] She is an asshole > [...] is a shitty person Please go away and take your name-calling someplace else. I prefer Hacker News to be a location for civil dialog.
"It was really shitty of her to get you fired for this. She's making herself look like an asshole." -- Fixed
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#223Seriously, Adria (and all of you who are defending her actions)--you got this one wrong; it was a false positive on your sexism scale. As a philosophical Marxist, I count myself among those who not only inherently support gender equality, but are from the thought tradition that started the damn movement. In graduate school, my thesis focused on the Southeast US from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Act of 1964…
While I am only a visitor from Reddit on this website and I will likely not post on here again, I felt compelled to make an account and reply to your post. You sir, win the internet award for 3-20-13 for your outstanding writing, cogent points, and social awareness. One does not often see this quality of writing and thoughts combined into a singular document on internet sites, and for making me think at the end "oh man, I really enjoyed reading this", I thank you.
As an aside, you were dead-on with your points. Women frequently engage in behavior that, when mirrored in men, would be called out for sexist. One point I was discussing with the girl I currently am dating is that there needs to now be a "mens' rights movement" similar to what women have accomplished for their gender. We are all equals, but men seem to be content to sit back and let the outside world badger us into a box of "manliness" and double standards that negatively affect us based solely on our gender. That is not to say the reasons we were put here in the first place are not completely valid, but that does not mean we should stay there now that we have multiple generations that get it.
I think if want to push true equality, it must acknowledge that both sexes have unique hardships, it must encourage equality for both sexes, and it must be supported by both sexes.
I could go on for hours about the double-standards both men and women place on each other, but I'll stop here and just reiterate my thanks to you for giving me something enjoyable to read on the internet today.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that being fired without cause is somehow illegal in the USA. In 49/50 states, it isn't. So there is no leg to stand on. Unless he was employed in Montana.
Sue her, not his employer.
I don't think she has any legal responsibility here.
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#225Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…
Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…
>developer evangelist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SoWNMNKNeM
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#226Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…
It probably wouldn't be a big deal in a more equitable society, but an innocent remark can easily be taken the wrong way when it comes after the chain of sexism women deal with in any given day. Someone wrote an article (that I can't find) about how she felt bad about all those times she overreacted to an innocent remark, and how it was probably counterproductive. It's hard to filter the harmless dongle jokes from th…
"an innocent remark can easily be taken the wrong way when it comes after the chain of sexism women deal with in any given day."
...what? How much effort do you put in to finding everything sexist?
This ladybug mounting another ladybug outside my window? Sexually oppressive. The female ladybug should be capable of choosing which position is preferable for her. This pencil in my hand? It's long. Hence a phallic object. Hence sexually intimidating. I am forced to involuntarily hold penises as I write on paper. This mouse under my palm is being raped as it has no matter of choice by which I guide it and its wheel (symbolic of the empowering clitoris, which I voluntarily scroll with) to accomplish my task. It has no say in when I click it or how I click it. Hence I am depriving it of free choice. Hence I am raping it.
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#227I just happened on this thread, even if a day old. Un-fucking-believable. I'm disappointed nearly all around here. Disappointed in pycon for actually kicking them out. Very disappointed that some would say posting their picture was fine (hint: it was not). Utterly disappointed they lost their jobs over this. I still can't believe they lost their jobs over this. What a sad state of affairs the world is in when someone…
The PSF did not kick us out, they pulled us from the main convention and got our side of the story. I gave a statement, apologized and thanked them for upholding the cons integrity. They felt I was sincere and let us leave of our own accord. I was also the only one who was let go.
Do you intend to sue for having your image posted by Adria?
Sounds like she might get some commercial value of it since she is doing talking engagements. A wave of publicity will surely benefit her.
I suspect you might have a job offer pretty soon as the larger community realized that this was terribly unfair and it was someone taking advantage of a situation to create controversy.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you apologizing. She is an asshole who cost you your job. I really hope you are just doing it for potential employers in the future. Adria is a shitty person for getting you fired over this.
> [...] She is an asshole > [...] is a shitty person Please go away and take your name-calling someplace else. I prefer Hacker News to be a location for civil dialog.
Maybe you should stop telling everyone how they should post, and instead do something to encourage civil dialog.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#229Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…
don't apologize to this publicity whore
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. It is unprofessional and unbecoming at an outside of work event. You don't think he would have been fired for a black or Nazi joke ?
I'm not sure that those jokes are comparable. There's no negative stereotype in a penis size joke.
It contributes to the objectification and dehumanization of male morphological gender norms.
Just kidding. I make dongle jokes all the time.