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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by makomk »

kanja wrote: post #170
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you need to go back a bit. First set up a society that massively favours women for a few millennia, seeing men primarily in terms of sex and procreation, THEN do your experiment, ensuring that there are still a good few people around who still see the world in that way and are happy to both express that view and use it to guide their actions. Otherwise you're only doing the very, very end bit. Seriously, you can'…

Such a bullshit argument. "no you see, it's ok to be a bigot because of the context!" Such crap - it really sickens me to see people arguing in favor of bigotry and hate because they feel they can get away with it.

Welcome to feminism. Unfortunately, the only group which is actually trying to solve sexism through ending gender-based treatment and stereotypes is (a faction of) the Men's Rights movement, and they're a cesspit. We're all fucked :-(

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by feminaziloon »

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

You did nothing wrong and shouldn't apologize to an absurdly psychopathic feminist "developer evangelist" (what the f* is that?). You made a mildly off color comment then she set out to ruin you. She thinks she's a hero for creating an unemployed family of five. She's genuinely insane and genuinely evil, and i'm guessing if you polled average Americans 90% of them would agree with the sentiment (including a huge majority of women).

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by [deleted] »

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mav314 »

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

I feel very sorry that this uppity POS made you lose your job over a harmless joke. Some people need to really learn what a sense of humour is.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by claudius »

antihero wrote: post #119
johngalt wrote: post #95

Time for the bigotry test: Lets reverse the genders. It's a woman making the sexualized comments to a friend, and a male attendee eavesdrops. Then he takes a picture her without her consent. Immediately posts said picture online. She loses her job. What would the response be?

Reversing the genders doesn't really work because they come from an unequal footing in the first place. Of course, if you reversed all of history and they were female dominated events with a long history of intimidating an harassing males, perhaps the test would stand up. That said, this woman's behaviour is a massive overreaction and exceptionally irresponsible, and has led to something horrible happening. If I were…

Not allowing to reverse the genders implies treating them differently. That’s sexist.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by claudius »

ternaryoperator wrote: post #5
nashequilibrium wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is becoming a much harder area for guys to navigate, in the sense that, are all sexual jokes off the table if females are present? I don't know the answer, hopefully there will be more dialogue around this so that everyone can understand general etiquette rules when in such an environment. I believe that some guys can just be dicks but some might just not be aware that they are being offensive.

> are all sexual jokes off the table if females are present? Honestly, I wish they were off the table regardless of who is in attendance. They're rarely funny, and they add nothing to the conversation.

I don’t find your jokes funny either. Furthermore, they usually add nothing new to the conversation, so please just stop joking altogether.

Oh wait, that goes for everything you say, so just stop talking.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by ben0x539 »

Phantom10 wrote: post #115
zshprompt wrote: post #10

Its a tough call, but I will say that it is not clear who the bully is in this situation. If the comments were made directly at someone, I am sure all will agree that this is grounds for consequences. However is it really a "safe space" if people are shamed publicly for what someone finds offensive BEFORE the matter is brought up to STAFF? I mean the two dudes in the photo may have grounds to say that they are the on…

So at the same time she accuses them of making sexual jokes. https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313417655879102464 She is making her OWN sexual jokes, while STILL at PyCon. https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 -coughhypocritecough- Jokes are only okay when woman do them! Teehee~

this but unironically. because sexism is the systemic oppression of women and not symmetrical

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mkr-hn »

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

It probably wouldn't be a big deal in a more equitable society, but an innocent remark can easily be taken the wrong way when it comes after the chain of sexism women deal with in any given day.

Someone wrote an article (that I can't find) about how she felt bad about all those times she overreacted to an innocent remark, and how it was probably counterproductive. It's hard to filter the harmless dongle jokes from the sheer volume of real sexism that surrounds us.

Meeting her halfway with empathy and communication was the right thing to do.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mcherm »

fosap wrote: post #112
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

>I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. Boldly speaking, you are a moron. She might feel offended, but i don't think she has any right to be upset. https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 >@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint

> [...] you are a moron

Please go away and take your name-calling someplace else. I prefer Hacker News to be a location for civil dialog.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mcherm »

profoak wrote: post #133
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Why are you apologizing. She is an asshole who cost you your job. I really hope you are just doing it for potential employers in the future. Adria is a shitty person for getting you fired over this.

> [...] She is an asshole > [...] is a shitty person

Please go away and take your name-calling someplace else. I prefer Hacker News to be a location for civil dialog.

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