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GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by bellowsgulch »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #209
frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

They were just bought for $7B and rely on Discord?

God, that's a step up from AI support, which is so sad to type out loud.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by bellowsgulch »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

Thanks, might move our corporate accounts over to proxy billing now.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by bigyabai »

kolinko wrote: post #172
MisterMunchkin wrote: post #104

$10/$50 is incredibly expensive compared to Chinese models which are cents. I think they’re really going to struggle selling these models long-term. My company is already massively cutting down on access because they’ve realised most people don’t actually produce any value using it. All the tokenmaxers have ruined it for the rest of us now that accounting have seen the costs.

It's like saying you're not paying for senior level engineers because you can get juniors for quarter the price per hour.

If the assignment isn't a 600,000 SLOC greenfield superproject, that's a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by kzrdude »

The names, I thought they were going to keep Sol, Terra, Luna for a while (while increasing versions). Are names like Sol and Astra really burned as one-offs? I think that's a waste of a good model name. Hope they keep them going with updates, as nicknames for the various model sizes on offer.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by yurishimo »

ghosty141 wrote: post #145
gentlewater wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really comparable IMO. Astra and Fable are not the every day workhorse you reach for to do basic tasks (unless your company has fuck you-money), they’re the tool you break out when you need the absolute strongest performance. There are plenty of tasks where finding and fixing one or two extra edge cases saves the business a lot of money, even if the cost is high. The best example would be scanning for vulnerabili…

We have ChatGPT Pro at work and I usually use Terra medium/high and only bring out Sol High when the big or feature actually requires "thinking"/complex behavior. This has worked pretty well for me and it's very token efficient

How much code are you shipping in a day? I find I can pretty comfortable use Sol high most of the day and stay within the 5 hour limit. I’ve got too many meetings to allow me time to write code continuously for an entire day. I usually finish about one ticket a day and then review 1-3 tickets for my colleagues.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by ghosty141 »

yurishimo wrote: post #226
ghosty141 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have ChatGPT Pro at work and I usually use Terra medium/high and only bring out Sol High when the big or feature actually requires "thinking"/complex behavior. This has worked pretty well for me and it's very token efficient

How much code are you shipping in a day? I find I can pretty comfortable use Sol high most of the day and stay within the 5 hour limit. I’ve got too many meetings to allow me time to write code continuously for an entire day. I usually finish about one ticket a day and then review 1-3 tickets for my colleagues.

We have a very lean development process and are in early stages of releasing the software, so almost no meetings and 90% of my time is development time (obv I talk with colleagues etc in that time). For example working with yocto eats through tokens like crazy since codex has to work with a pretty big codebase and look up tons of stuff.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by jostylr »

simonw wrote: post #63
jsdalton wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simon do you have a page somewhere that shows _all_ of the penguins created by various models across time? You’ve been doing this public service for so long (well, for so long in “AI hype” years anyway) that it’d be fascinating to see the evolution of this artifact across time.

For the moment the best place to see them all is to browse the tag on my blog - 140 posts now! https://simonwillison.net/tags/pelican-riding-a-bicycle/ I'm running out of excuses not to build a proper comparison site though. Maybe I'll have Astra do rhat.

You could also have it create a viewer competition selection; show two images without attribution and let the use select which one. Could be cool to see the wisdom of the crowds; could also have price ranges to have subcategories. I bet Astra could do that in a half hour.

Loving the pelican silliness. My ChatGPT is over the moon about it. Gonna miss it when it really is done. Though maybe a pelican riding a bike game could become the benchmark in a year.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by wilkystyle »

kolinko wrote: post #172
MisterMunchkin wrote: post #104

$10/$50 is incredibly expensive compared to Chinese models which are cents. I think they’re really going to struggle selling these models long-term. My company is already massively cutting down on access because they’ve realised most people don’t actually produce any value using it. All the tokenmaxers have ruined it for the rest of us now that accounting have seen the costs.

It's like saying you're not paying for senior level engineers because you can get juniors for quarter the price per hour.

Assuming what GP said is accurate (tokenmaxxers not delivering more value for the usage), the analogy is more like realizing the seniors you hired aren't actually producing any better results than juniors you could get for a quarter of the cost.
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